Tuesday, July 27, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] hybrid city as interface - is it related to situationist notions?

Hello Yasminers

From a laptop on a train, I also wonder what it is about the 60s and
70s? I went to see the University of Trash at the Sculpture Center in
NY. I went with my mother who lived in NY in the 60s and early 70s.
She said "I saw this in the 70s, why am I seeing it again?" I thought
that this was a really interesting question. I don't know the answer.
I don't think that it is just post modern fashion's lack of imagination
like Hollywood suffers from (or is it just that?).

But I was also very interested in Roger's post about phenology because
it offered a different scale of experience. It seems to me that some of
the technological tactics and the psychogeographical investigations
offer approaches to encouraging local knowledge, means for like minded
people to find each other, tactics for reappropriation of public space,
decommodification both of technology and space, but the proposition to
dig where you stand might require means to investigate different time
scales and different, perhaps non-human ways of life.

It also potentially points in another direction towards questions of
work and labour: I was reading A Call to Farms: Continental Drift
through the Midwest Radical Culture Corridor, a derive through co-ops,
organic farms and environmental activism. The places visited by a loose
and changing group of people participating in the drift were places of
long term action.

That's an interesting relationship of scale of duration - a derive of a
week visiting decade long projects in a landscape century or more of


Chris Fremantle

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On 26/07/2010 17:24, Daphne Dragona wrote:
> Hello yasminers
> I guess most people have already started their summer holidays or are
> overloaded with work trying to finish everything before holidays.
> But, here are some more thoughts of mine for those who are still on the
> laptops :)
> > From posts received but also generally from texts, articles, researches on
> the field of locative media, it has become quite clear that when we need
> references to support our work, we mostly turn to situationist notions. We
> often speak of phychogeographies, of drifting and of subversion. We seek for
> playful wanderings and for ludic flaneurs that may provoke changes in the
> perception of the cityscape.
> I have myself referred to these notions quite a lot regarding some projects.
> However a question that more and more comes to my mind lately is how close
> are we to the writings of the 60s? How much do our writings, projects, way
> of living reflect ideas like those of the situationists? I don't mean that
> these notions can not/ should not be appropriated; cause that would be the
> last thing their authors would want – for us to see a sacred side in them...
> But rather what I am questioning is what are we seeking and to what extent?
> Can the excitement of contributing, participating, mapping, discovering the
> cities through today's interfaces be connected to bringing changes in
> *life*itself? Do we seek to
> provoke "conditions favourable to direct living" or to our perception of the
> living experience?
> The participants of the " hybrid city" we are talking about are the
> participants of a networked world. They (we) are used to "geotagging", to
> "saving places", to exploring the city through location based social
> networks. Playfulness and interaction is part of their (our) everyday life
> though the use of the different applications and interfaces. Free floating
> in the space of flows and in the urban environment, they (we) follow their
> own desires.
> But, while we are "drifting", are we getting closer or are we distancing
> ourselves to/from what Debord and Vaneigem were talking about?
> Or is emphasis on subectivity, interaction and playfulness as we experience
> them today just the opposite side of the same coin that situationists once
> flipped?
> Daphne
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