Thank you for this very interesting and comprehensive summary. I'm
intrigued to see that you are using Lefebvre's terms and I would like
to contribute with an annotation. Lefebvre's present and presence are
partly spatial terms that also relate to two different temporalities.
The present is counted with the clock and presence has both a temporal
and spatial character.
Within these Hybridized spaces that are: the given space of the city
with its planning and concealed ideology in architecture and road
layout and the new spaces emerging out of the mixing of wireless
technologies, urban screens, locative media annotative maps - there's
a new kind of temporality emerging. In my opinion in Lefebvre's
Rhythmanalysis 'present' is related to clock time, and 'presence' is
achieved by the study of rhythms.
Therefore it is interesting to think about how we negotiate between
times, counted time (clock time) and the fluid time of wireless mobile
communication.
We have become accustomed to existing in both spaces, the public space
we are in and the private space of your telephone conversation or
texting. Temporality and where we are in time and space (presence) and
how long we experience that (present) are important elements in the
shaping of the hybrid city critique/ discourse and discussion.
In other words, as you say, we are concurrently 'present' in both
spaces whereas our presence has to do more with where we are - not in
the physical sense - but in the lived experience, how we experience
time and space through this hybridized 'lived' experience.
thank you,
Sophia
On 20 Jul 2010, at 19:27, Dimitris Charitos wrote:
> Dear Roger,
>
> I guess the term "hybrid city" could better read "hybrid spatial
> experience"
> (a more generalized context) that could be the result of acting and
> perceiving within a city, within a landscape or within an
> environment of any
> scale. This is more what we had in mind when proposing the term. The
> urban
> context of course involves more of the social spatial experience too
> in the
> process and therefore touches upon the socio-political implications
> of using
> these systems. One of the key subjects of research in the area of
> pervasive
> and locative media is this spatial/environmental experience. One of
> the main
> research questions that have driven some of our experiments with such
> systems is: whether one experiences being "present" concurrently at
> the
> physical and the virtual space of the representation or one alternates
> between the two states of "presence". And the field of environmental
> cognition helps as a starting point here.
>
> I very much agree that our proprioceptive sensation is augmented to
> include
> not only our local but also a more global view of our environment
> and in the
> case of "invisible dynamics" a series of non-perceptible to the
> human senses
> phenomena. But when we experience these systems through mobile devices
> (which do not fully immerse us into a virtual context but allow for a
> continuous non-mediated perceptual input from the physical
> environment too),
> our physical environmental experience is unavoidably mixed with the
> mediated
> augmented view of the world, and this becomes a somehow "hybrid
> spatial
> experience". It may be that these two views are mixed in the case of
> augmented reality (like when using Layar) or that we somehow have to
> relate/map two quite distinct frames of reference (like in the case
> of using
> a GPS while walking in the physical environment, mentally relating a
> plan
> view of the world with a perspective one). And I suspect that the
> strong
> sense of connection between the mobile device and our body may
> somehow help
> us in the process of relating these two frames of reference.
>
> When discussing the possibility of an augmented landscape, a very
> interesting and enjoyable exhibition I saw a few years ago in the
> context of
> the Sonar festival 2005 in Barcelona on the theme of "Augmented
> Landscape"
> comes to mind. This was curated by Oscar Abril Ascaso.
>
> Best
>
> Dimitris
>
> ********************************************************************
> Dr. Dimitrios Charitos
> Assistant Professor, Department of Communication and Media Studies
> National and Kapodistrian University of
> Athens
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> roger
> malina
> Sent: Τρίτη, 20 Ιουλίου 2010 12:16 πμ
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] the hybrid city as interface
>
> Dear Salvatore, dear Martin, dear Daphne and all
>
> I have very much enjoyed looking at the various
> cartography web sites that you have referred us to
>
> martin= as an astronomer I enjoyed Starshed ! but wish
> you had invented new constellations by joining the dots
> in new ways !!!
>
> After re reading the various posts I wonder if the term
> "hybrid city" is the right one, because the ideas really
> dont have anything to do with urbanisation as such, but
> really about how one integrates mediated senses into
> ones perception
>
> derrick de kerckhove has been talking about replacing
> a sense of view (or of perspective) with a " sense of being"
> he gave a talk at sonic acts for instance
>
> http://2010.sonicacts.com/programme/keynote-derrick-de-kerckhove/
>
> where he states
>
> "In the global environmental perception that is developing,
> the point of being, that is a proprioceptive sensation of the world,
> may be doubling if not replacing the point of view as the principal
> referent of my position in space."
>
> I think this is one answer to martin's question on how
> map making translates to art making- the "sense of being"
> is defined by the the data that one chooses to connect into
> ones worldview at a given location ( and this connects nicely
> with the previous example i gave of the "invisible dynamics"
> concept- and surely this selection of the world is one thing
> that artists do
>
> roger
>
> ps= in reading up on derrick's idea on sense of being i came
> across this statistic that derrick states : 80% of cell phone
> owners under the age of 18 sleep with their cell phone under
> their pillow or by their ear...
>
> Derrick: care to respond ?
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