Tuesday, April 28, 2015

[Yasmin_discussions] science films and music

Dear Yasminers,

I´m very proud to introduce in this discussion the work of five students of
the Master de Artes Visuales y Multimedia (Visual Arts and Multimedia
Masterhttp://www.artesvisualesymultimedia.com/ ) of the Politecnical
University of Valencia. Last week was the PAM15 (Artistic and Multimedia
Production Exhibition: http://muestrapam.org/), and they show three
interesting works. One by one:

- Julio Sosa shown "Tu cara me suena" (The Sound of Your Face).

He developed a kind of musical instrument that works recognising the
movement of the face. Using facetracking technology, the device translate
the face image to sounds, depending on the face position. This is a
translation between image recognition to sounds, to create an alternative
instrument.

You can take a look here:

https://vimeo.com/117191802

- Guillermo Lechón and Ainhoa Salas shown "Deformator",

Their work translate tactile experience to an image, in the sense that the
tactile interface acts to the image modifying the extension, properties and
profile.

- Germán Torres and Alejandra Bueno shown "Fronteras en el cajón"
(Frontiers on the drawer)

Their work was a complete study of the inmigration between Moroco and
Spain, using a drawer which contains real histories of the people who tried
to cross the border. They create several replica of the drawer and offer a
connected link to any information about inmigration through social networks
iluminating the drawer with lightmapping techniques.

You can listen the interviews of their work in an interesting research
project about conservation of new media art here:

https://proyectodocammuestrapam.wordpress.com/category/pam2015/

Even both works from Guillermo Lechón, Ainhoa Salas, Germán Torres and
Alejandra Bueno are not directly related to the science films with music, i
must say that i included here because they are now collaborating with an
student association for promoting science popularization to the physics
department of Valencia University, to develope another installations to be
presented in a science party activities. They are working on the
invisibility topic. Guillermo Lechon and Ainhoa Salas trying to do a
projection with infrared radiation, and Germán Torres and Alejandra Bueno
are working on the cloaking invisibilities properties.

Their works will be shown at next Expociencia:

http://www.pcuv.es/es/Expociencia2015/presentacio.html

This would be an independent collaboration between master students from art
and science, and would be the first time that this new media art would be
included in Expociencia.

This is a nice opportunity to observe how we can apply new ways of
narratives, and technologies, to our popularization activities, and even
into our research !!,

Best from Valencia,

Guillermo.
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Sunday, April 26, 2015

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] sound and science

Sorry, George O Squier
George O. Squier ~ Trees as Antennas ( Scientific American, June 14, 1919 &
British Pat... Page 1 of 12
"With Trees For Ears" A Wireless Station Within the Reach of Everybody With
a pair of receives to his ears, an amazed visitor to a certain radio
station heard a hightoned hum which changed to a low growl, then skied to
the upper reaches of the musical scale in a faint, very faint buzz, as if
some microscopic mosquito had had his song made audible. The operator
rapidly rapidly turning the knobs on his couplers and condensers, raised
his hand: suddenly, through the changing radio signals which were clamoring
for attention together in the receivers came his voice; "There --- the
loud, easily heard one is New Brunswick; the fainter, lower one is Nauen,
in Germany". Leif

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Leif Brush <lbrush@d.umn.edu> wrote:

>
> I like viewing realtime-streamewd helical cosmic imaging Roger, But, the
> appended no-stair-step sound was conflicting, asynchronous.
>
> evolving terrestrial and cosmic mysteries should be sync-monitored and
> thus s*onified realtime, contextual** data should be sought, **w/ AtoD
> phenomena sampling processes, **w/cogent input information, *
> *syncing/time/space, ** multiplexing **and the demultiplexing output of
> sound's/imaging packets* .
> http://productionadvice.co.uk/no-stair-steps-in-digital-audio/
>
> Terrestrially... re John Collings *Squire*'s selff broadcasting trees *
>
> Donald Gurnett's 1972 Jupiter space recordings.
> http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/sounds/EarthChorus/earchor.mp3
> http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/sounds/EarthWhistlers/ewhist.mp3
> http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/sounds/JupiterWhistlers/jwhist.mp3
> trees as co-authors in audible constructions
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesf2.html#anchor823475\
> 1972 Graspable Atmospheres Uranus table top winds
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd.html#anchor146427
> Tree dynamics require dither signals
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/ditheredElmimage.jpg
> Time, Context, Gray Matter out of Sync
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd.html#anchor7540
> LIGHT as performance Conceptal Drawing: Anticipating Audio/imaging
> Sonogram
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush
> http://www.d.umn.edu/lbrush/lbarchivesb1.html#anchor111962
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd.html#anchor7540
> 1974
> dithered image transformations rendered realtime holography
> scroll down to Uranus winds, LED spectral scan
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/Uranuswinds.jpg
> 1976
> Scanning Electron Microscope
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd1.html#anchor188389
>
> *
> https://www.google.com/search?q=leif+brush+self+broasdcasting+trees&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=leif+brush+self+broasdcasting+trees&nfpr=1Rioger
>
> Leif Brush
>



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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] sound and science

I like viewing realtime-streamewd helical cosmic imaging Roger, But, the
appended no-stair-step sound was conflicting, asynchronous.

evolving terrestrial and cosmic mysteries should be sync-monitored and thus
s*onified realtime, contextual** data should be sought, **w/ AtoD phenomena
sampling processes, **w/cogent input information, **syncing/time/space, **
multiplexing **and the demultiplexing output of sound's/imaging packets* .
http://productionadvice.co.uk/no-stair-steps-in-digital-audio/

Terrestrially... re John Collings *Squire*'s selff broadcasting trees *

Donald Gurnett's 1972 Jupiter space recordings.
http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/sounds/EarthChorus/earchor.mp3
http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/sounds/EarthWhistlers/ewhist.mp3
http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/sounds/JupiterWhistlers/jwhist.mp3
trees as co-authors in audible constructions
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesf2.html#anchor823475\
1972 Graspable Atmospheres Uranus table top winds
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd.html#anchor146427
Tree dynamics require dither signals
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/ditheredElmimage.jpg
Time, Context, Gray Matter out of Sync
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd.html#anchor7540
LIGHT as performance Conceptal Drawing: Anticipating Audio/imaging
Sonogram
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush
http://www.d.umn.edu/lbrush/lbarchivesb1.html#anchor111962
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd.html#anchor7540
1974
dithered image transformations rendered realtime holography
scroll down to Uranus winds, LED spectral scan
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/Uranuswinds.jpg
1976
Scanning Electron Microscope
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/lbarchivesd1.html#anchor188389

*
https://www.google.com/search?q=leif+brush+self+broasdcasting+trees&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=leif+brush+self+broasdcasting+trees&nfpr=1Rioger

Leif Brush
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[Yasmin_discussions] science films and music

Colleagues

Our discussion on science films and their generally
poor use of sound or music seems to be petering out !

We have been getting a number of good examples
of more interesting use of sound and music in science films=
claerly this is an active area of contemporary creative practice

Feel free to keep posting on this or other topics to the
YASMIN discussion list- if someone has a bee in their
bonnet in a current topic feel free to contact us and we
can try and organise a discussion with you as a moderator

empyre and new media curating lists have good discussions
going on at the moment

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Thursday, April 23, 2015

[Yasmin_discussions] Sounds of science

Roger,

As an aside, the "vortex" video was indeed quite trippy,
and puts one in mind of the question which may well
have contributed to the nervous breakdown which
poor Albert Michelson suffered in the run-up to his
famous experiment with Edward Morley: how to point
their interferometer such that it faced as directly as
possible into the earth's passage through the cosmic
ether. Simple! Just explain your dilemma to the chairman
of the physics department, and he will requisition a minor
ocean of mercury in which the huge sandstone block on
which your apparatus is mounted can in turn be floated,
thus allowing it to be rotated into a relatively optimum
alignment!

Nothing to it! A mere snap of the fingers . . .

Regards,
G. W. (Glenn) Smith
www.space-machines.com

P.S. With apologies to Albert Michelson -- I am in fact
working on an essay centered on his remarkable experiment.


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[Yasmin_discussions] sound and science

yasminers
from audrey pic

! Check out this one !

The music is not that successful but the computer animation is just so
perfect to make you under
stand the relativity
of mouvement and cosmic reality .... right ? you just get it
instantly. have a good trip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU

roger malina

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Sound and science films

Dear Yasminers

Here a composition by Emmanuel Pimenta that is relevant to
our discussion

> It is online the film of my concert *DARK MATTER* performed
> last November 22 at the Conservatory of Milan, in Italy. It
> can be watched at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMlrFn-G2I&feature=youtu.be
> or at http://www.emanuelpimenta.net/CONCERTSFILMS/v24.html
> There are more information at
> http://www.emanuelpimenta.net/dark/
> The composition was based on studies on filaments of dark
> matter in the Universe. It is a concert in celebration of
> the centennial of a great friend, the Swiss philosopher René
> Berger.


Best
Annick
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[Yasmin_discussions] Sound and science films

Dear yasminers,

Here you have an interesting example (sended by Eva Alloza from Piratas de
la Ciencia) of a nowadays and scientific use translating sound into images.
I think this is very intesesting, as the technology is developed to have
more precision and resolution, and it is possible to visualize living cells
with the sound:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-04/aiop-n3i042215.php

Best,

Guillermo.
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Tuesday, April 21, 2015

[Yasmin_discussions] sound and science films

yasminers
for our discussion on sound and science films here
is an example of where the specialist community is
developing the very tools that the scientists should be
using for the science films
roger malina

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WAC 2016 - Web Audio Conference
April 4-6, 2016
Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, Georgia USA

http://webaudio.gatech.edu

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The 2nd Web Audio Conference (WAC) will be held April 4-6, 2016 at Georgia
Tech in Atlanta. WAC is an international conference dedicated to web audio
technologies and applications. The conference welcomes web developers,
music technologists, computer musicians, application designers,
researchers, and people involved in web standards. The conference addresses
research, development, design, and standards concerned with emerging
audio-related web technologies such as Web Audio API, Web RTC, WebSockets
and Javascript. It is open to industry engineers, R&D scientists, academic
researchers, artists, and students. The first Web Audio Conference was held
in January 2015 at IRCAM and Mozilla in Paris, France.

The Internet has become much more than a simple storage and delivery
network for audio files, as modern web browsers on desktop and mobile
devices bring new user experiences and interaction opportunities. New and
emerging web technologies and standards now allow applications to create
and manipulate sound in real-time at near-native speeds, enabling the
creation of a new generation of web-based applications that mimic the
capabilities of desktop software while leveraging unique opportunities
afforded by the web in areas such as social collaboration, user experience,
cloud computing, and portability. The Web Audio Conference focuses on
innovative work by artists, researchers, and engineers in industry and
academia, highlighting new standards, tools, APIs, and practices as well as
innovative web audio applications for musical performance, education,
research, collaboration, and production.

Contributions to the second edition of the Web Audio Conference are
encouraged in the following areas:
- Web Audio API, Web MIDI, Web RTC, and other existing or emerging web
standards for audio and music
- Development tools, practices, and strategies of web audio applications
- Innovative audio and music based web applications
- Client-side audio processing (real-time or non real-time)
- Audio data and metadata formats and network delivery
- Server-side audio processing and client access
- Client-side audio engine and audio rendering
- Frameworks for audio synthesis, processing, and transformation
- Web-based audio visualization and/or sonification
- Multimedia integration
- Web-based live coding environments for music
- Web standards and use of standards within audio based web projects
- Hardware and tangible interfaces in web applications
- Codecs and standards for remote audio transmission
- Any other innovative work related to web audio that does not fall into
the above categories

We welcome submissions in the following tracks: paper, poster, demo,
performance, and artwork. All submissions will be double-blind peer
reviewed. The conference proceedings, which will include both papers (for
papers and posters) and abstracts (for demos, performances, and artworks),
will be published online and in SmartTech, Georgia Tech's archival
open-access repository.

*Papers*: Authors are invited to submit 4-6 page papers. Accepted papers
will be presented at the conference as an oral presentation.

*Posters*: Authors are invited to submit posters with an accompanying 2-4
page paper. Accepted posters will be presented at the conference as a
poster presentation. We encourage authors to submit their work
simultaneously to both the poster and demo track.

*Demos*: Authors are invited to submit demos. Accepted demos will be
presented at the conference in a hands-on demo session. We encourage
authors to submit their work simultaneously to both the poster and demo
track. Demo submissions should include a title, a one-paragraph abstract
and a complete list of technical requirements (including anything expected
to be provided by the conference organizers).

*Performances*: We invite proposals for performances making creative use of
web-based audio applications. Performances can include elements such as
audience device participation, web-based interfaces, WebMIDI, WebSockets,
and/or other imaginative approaches to web technology. Submissions must
include a title, a one-paragraph abstract of the performance, a link to
video documentation of the work, a complete list of technical requirements
(including anything expected to be provided by conference organizers), and
names and one-paragraph biographies of all musicians involved in the
performance.

*Artworks*: We invite proposals for sonic web artworks and interactive
applications which make significant use of web audio standards such as Web
Audio API or WebMIDI in conjunction with other technologies such as HTML5
graphics, WebGL, and/or interactivity. Works must be suitable for
presentation on a computer kiosk with headphones. They will be featured at
the conference venue throughout the conference and on the conference web
site. Submissions must include a title, one-paragraph abstract of the work,
a link to access the work, and names and one-paragraph biographies of the
author(s).

*IMPORTANT DATES*
- July 1, 2015: submission system opens
- October 1, 2015: submission deadline
- December 1, 2015: author notification
- March 1, 2016: camera-ready papers and abstracts due
- April 4-6, 2016: conference

At least one author of each accepted submission must register for and
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Where did light come from?

Just to thank Jon Ippolito for posting an amazing explanation of where photons come from.

If I understood correctly, Photons were created by inflated space. Did I get that right?

Poetically: Space> Light>Matter

all best

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> On 21 Apr 2015, at 00:41, Jon Ippolito <jippolito@maine.edu> wrote:
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> I just stumbled on this explanation of where photons come from and why they will stick around in the same abundance until the end of time. I'm sharing it here, because science.
>
> https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/ask-ethan-84-where-did-light-first-come-from-e6054566ea74 <https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/ask-ethan-84-where-did-light-first-come-from-e6054566ea74>
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Monday, April 20, 2015

[Yasmin_discussions] Where did light come from?

I just stumbled on this explanation of where photons come from and why they will stick around in the same abundance until the end of time. I'm sharing it here, because science.

https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/ask-ethan-84-where-did-light-first-come-from-e6054566ea74 <https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/ask-ethan-84-where-did-light-first-come-from-e6054566ea74>

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Sunday, April 19, 2015

[Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

Yasminers, Guillermo speaking.

I have some comments:

1) First of all, i would like to resume a couple of projects that use this
sonification of light. The examples are listed by Eva Alloza, from our
Piratas de la Ciencia group.

- The enlightenment, from quiet ensemble:

http://www.quietensemble.com/the_enlightenment_eng.html

- Neurospace (audio 3D), by Timothy Schmele. Sonification from fMRI images.

http://phonos.upf.edu/node/750?language=en

- Here just a compilation of works,

http://datasonification.tumblr.com/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

2) I pick a sentence from Richard´s post: "Will we soon be able to sense
and comprehend a macro-to-micro continuum (the new analog)?"

As a nanotechnology researcher i think this sentence has strong
implications. Nanodevices are in the heart of the sensing mechanism,
including our biological senses. May be, just a change in vocabulary, i
would like to change a little bit to "from atom to macro continuum", in the
sense that nanoscaled effects, could link both ranges.

I´m very interested on this topic, an this would be my research work on the
next Scientific Delirum Madness. Periodic table is just a representation
that connects atomic characteristics (number of electrons, protons, ...)
with macroscopic material properties (metals, semiconductors, noble gases,
...). It is just fascinating this representation. May be we can
understanding as a XIX century representation. Our idea is that nanoscaled
nanomaterial, by their specific properties, needs an alternative
representation. In words of Javier Garcia: "Nanotechnoilogy adds a third
dimension to the periodic table" (
http://metode.cat/en/Metode-TV/Entrevista-a-Javier-Garcia). So, this new
dimension needs new representations, and as nanotechnology is a nowadays
science, we needs nowadays ways to represent. But this ways needs to know
the characteristics of nanoparticles and their link to the macroscopic
material responses. I guess this representation must contain a very rich
kind of information, as the conventional periodic table has it.I think this
is ver hard work, and at the same time very deep science topic. In science
new representations gives the possibility to build new measurement set-up.
In fact, new set-up is kind of new sense (i like your three division
categories Roger!). So, new sense is new way to know, so understand, so,
science. So, there is an strong and deep link between representing to
understanding. So, this is an answer to the question: what can do art for
science? = do best and deep science.

3) However, i have some discrepancy in one concept. I agreed that today new
ways of representation contains powerfull "visions", but i think old
fashion ways must be listened too. I think old is a world that have many
implications. Greek philosophy is old, but we can study it with today
"eyes" (through hermeneutic processes), and this is a kind of "new"
discourses (this is obvious). And just the contrary can happen as well (new
technologies just to do the same things). I like a lot the XIX century
Wheatstone Kaleidophone, which is a way to translate sound vibrations into
light patterns. XIX century is full of very rich experiments, which in our
today eyes could give us enormous feedback. I leave here an example of
converting sound into visual patterns which comes from this old way of
representation, but for me contains fascinating power. However, at the same
time, it contains the same error than the sun video. There are two
versions, first one is just the experiment, with the amazing sound of
vibration, which in fact is totally related to the visual pattern (it can
help us to visualize electron Wavefunction in Quantum dots, or light
propagating modes in fiber optics, or many more !!). The second one is just
the same video, but with the sound from scientist taste (this time even
worse!!). I leave you both versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yaqUI4b974

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w

Independent if this is XIX century example of visualization/representation,
our "reading" could be "old" or "new". Second video, with the scientist
election for music destroys the beauty of the vibrational original sound.
At least, we have the opportunity to listen both versions.

4) Finally, i would like to send another example of science communication
of light, which is, in my opinion, much much better, from BBBC Barcelona:

http://newsletter.cccb.org//newsletters-portlet/ViewHtmlServlet/viewEmails?newsletterId=10944&languageId=ca_ES&dispersionId=7486336322462883372238743483377637664388223262644328676838273236663243433322233763746247688367337383

Best,

Guillermo.
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Trans-Sensuality

Thanks Richard
"The information/energy ecosystem is rich and complex. Our evolutionary
future,
is leading us to be more sensate and in-tune, with and without tools, for
ultimate survival.
This is our nature. "
A realtime terrain "symphony" and sonifications from treed forest
environments.
leif
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Saturday, April 18, 2015

[Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

Roger, i totally agreed. To be on the present needs action, it is not just
a matter of passing time. There are large amount of technology everywhere,
it is our responsibility to use it. But for sure, we need present minds as
well !!,

I leave here a link to the sonification of the ATLAS detector data which
Jose Manuel tell us some posts before. This is very interesting !!

https://lhcsound.wordpress.com/

https://lhcsound.wordpress.com/sonification-of-di-photon-channel-part-2/

Guillermo.
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Trans-Sensuality

We are becoming trans-sensuals.

All living things are tuning organisms, having evolved
to narrowly but deeply sense in particular EM spectral ranges.

As though we are handicapped, our new sensing and communication
technologies are sensory aids, allowing us to sense and communicate
across and in a full range of tunable wavelengths and frequencies.
This complexly rich, life-endowing flow and flux of energy and information
surrounds and permeates us and all other things, in ways we are
just beginning to tune into. This is more than data, which is the by-product
of digital sampling and thinking (discrete bits). But digital sensing and
processing are interim stages of development. Will we soon be able to sense
and comprehend a macro-to-micro continuum (the new analog)?

Creatively exploring this sensory spectrum over the past 45 years, I have
encountered some individuals with synaesthetic abilities, able to 'see' slightly beyond
the visible range, into the near IR or UV window, or have other extended sensory ranges.
Playing with researchers at Smith Kettlewell Institute in San Francisco in the mid-70s,
allowed for creative works with 'blind' performers, who with the aid of sensory aids,
used ultrasonic echolocation devices to spatially navigate through complex spaces,
translating sound variations into spatial sensory modes. B&W video cameras
would activate a low-res matrix pin-screen, worn on the back or on a finger-tip or
in the palm, so that a non-sighted person could sense visual-space imagery
as a tactile display. My personal experience was that it took very little time
and training (less than one hour) for our brains to make the shift and connection
to process this trans-sensual information, into navigational skills.

This opens up the realm of trans-sensory language development and understanding.
We can do this 'naturally', with our limited senses, and we will continue to tune into,
extend and explore our information-rich environment with new technologies,
which will also evolve to be more sophisticated and semi-organic sensory aids.

The information/energy ecosystem is rich and complex. Our evolutionary future,
is leading us to be more sensate and in-tune, with and without tools, for ultimate survival.
This is our nature.

Richard


On Apr 18, 2015, at 10:18 AM, roger malina wrote:

> guillermo
>
> you are absolutely right the david eagleman
> example
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humans
>
> is not a 'new sense' but an 'extended' sense where he 'translates' data into
> a form where human sense of touch is activated
>
> i usually talk about three categories
> - augmented senses when you increase the sensitivity of a sense ( eg
> optical microscope)
> - extended sense - eg when you extend the sense of vision to the IR or X ray
> - New sense when you create a situation where the body can sense forms
> of energy that
> it is not build to detect ( eg gravity waves, cosmic rays )
>
> in the case of new senses you can either translate them into a form an
> existing sense
> can detect as eagleman does- or as you point out you could create a
> new input directly into the brain
> which is also what david eaglement talks about
>
> anyway - i often argue we are now in a 'data culture' where we make decisions
> as much from direct sensory inputs to the real world as from
> interfaces to large data
> sets about the real world
>
> but we are still behaving like 19C scientists trying to visualise data
> using techniques
> that were developed in an era when we were not deluged with data ( dan boorstin
> calls this an epistemelogical inverstion- going from meaning rich and data poor
> to data rich and meaning poor)
>
> the video of the sun that you showed that started this discussion
>
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sdo/videos/index.html
>
> is using sound in a way that is irrelevant to understanding the amazing
> images of the sun and fails to take advantage of the brain's multi modal
> perception and cognition
>
> and in fact those images use augmented and extended senses methodologies
> but the science film is in a nineteenth century way of thinking
>
> roger malina
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such
> terrible use of music or sound
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>
>
> Wow, this TED talk is amazing ¡¡ But, in reality these examples are not new
> senses, no?, these are kind of translations, and used by brain plasticity
> to have alternative feeling experiences. But the connection is made by
> conventional senses (visual, tactile, sound, smell or taste). May be some
> detector directly conected to brain driving electrical discharges could be
> as new sense, no?
>
> In another hand, this is a very famous example: the artist Neil Harbisoon
> uses an extension of senses to listen colors. I leave this TED talk:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/neil_harbisson_i_listen_to_color?language=es
>
> Best,
>
> Guillermo
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[Yasmin_discussions] Fwd: Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

guillermo

you are absolutely right the david eagleman
example

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humans

is not a 'new sense' but an 'extended' sense where he 'translates' data into
a form where human sense of touch is activated

i usually talk about three categories
- augmented senses when you increase the sensitivity of a sense ( eg
optical microscope)
- extended sense - eg when you extend the sense of vision to the IR or X ray
- New sense when you create a situation where the body can sense forms
of energy that
it is not build to detect ( eg gravity waves, cosmic rays )

in the case of new senses you can either translate them into a form an
existing sense
can detect as eagleman does- or as you point out you could create a
new input directly into the brain
which is also what david eaglement talks about

anyway - i often argue we are now in a 'data culture' where we make decisions
as much from direct sensory inputs to the real world as from
interfaces to large data
sets about the real world

but we are still behaving like 19C scientists trying to visualise data
using techniques
that were developed in an era when we were not deluged with data ( dan boorstin
calls this an epistemelogical inverstion- going from meaning rich and data poor
to data rich and meaning poor)

the video of the sun that you showed that started this discussion

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sdo/videos/index.html

is using sound in a way that is irrelevant to understanding the amazing
images of the sun and fails to take advantage of the brain's multi modal
perception and cognition

and in fact those images use augmented and extended senses methodologies
but the science film is in a nineteenth century way of thinking

roger malina

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such
terrible use of music or sound
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>


Wow, this TED talk is amazing ¡¡ But, in reality these examples are not new
senses, no?, these are kind of translations, and used by brain plasticity
to have alternative feeling experiences. But the connection is made by
conventional senses (visual, tactile, sound, smell or taste). May be some
detector directly conected to brain driving electrical discharges could be
as new sense, no?

In another hand, this is a very famous example: the artist Neil Harbisoon
uses an extension of senses to listen colors. I leave this TED talk:

http://www.ted.com/talks/neil_harbisson_i_listen_to_color?language=es

Best,

Guillermo
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[Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

Wow, this TED talk is amazing ¡¡ But, in reality these examples are not new
senses, no?, these are kind of translations, and used by brain plasticity
to have alternative feeling experiences. But the connection is made by
conventional senses (visual, tactile, sound, smell or taste). May be some
detector directly conected to brain driving electrical discharges could be
as new sense, no?

In another hand, this is a very famous example: the artist Neil Harbisoon
uses an extension of senses to listen colors. I leave this TED talk:

http://www.ted.com/talks/neil_harbisson_i_listen_to_color?language=es

Best,

Guillermo
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[Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

Ale

thanks for point out the work of David Eagleman which is
an amazing example of perceptual training- which allows
a person to 'feel' a data stream

David Eagleman: Can we create new senses for humans?

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humans

in his case he has build a vest with mechanical stimuli and as the
data is fed into
the vest the human learns to detect patterns in the distrubution of stimuli on
their back- he talks of deaf people being able to 'feel' the applause
of spectators-
or even of the overall feeling of the stock market data as touch
patterns on their back

he mentions also taking sentiment analysis of twitter feeds into
sensory physical
feeling-this makes me think of roy ascott and his discussions of planetary
consciousness- one could imagine wearing a vest whcih would allow you
to 'sense' the emotions of people in a different location

my example of sonification data is indeed only one example where there
are many new possible modes of helping us find and understand patterns
in large data sets- when as eagleman points out the senses that humans
have are an accident of evolution- immersive data is a new sensory
situation and our visual coortex is badly designed for the kinds of
pattern finding we now need to do- we have great edge detectors
but lousy complex network structure detectors !

thanks for pointing the work of eagleman out !

i see from your web site: http://www.aledelapuente.org/

that you co directed the fantastic Gravedad de los Asuntos
which took nine mexican artists into zero gravity


La Gravedad de los Asuntos (The Gravity of Issues), a project
involving nine artists and scientists that will explore concepts of
gravity and develop work to be realized in Gravity Zero Parabolic
Flights. I co-directed this project with Nahum Mantra and Juan José
Díaz Infante, in collaboration with the Laboratorio Arte Alameda and
the National Institute of Nuclear Science UNAM, among other
institutions.

gravity is another example of a sense that is an accident of evolution
on our planet- and indeed as people go into
zero gravity they have to go through intensive perceptual training to
re calibrate their systems that have been totally designed
only to work well in one gravity

anyway- i suspect we will consider the crude use of music in science
films today as very primitive
a few hundred years from now when we have figured out how to do full
multi modal immersion in data !

roger malina

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From: Ale de la Puente <delapuente.ale@gmail.com>

...have you watch this?

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humans

regards!!!
Ale

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 4:14 AM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> yasminers
>
> I thought i would inject a different line of discussion about the role
> of sound or music accompanying science communications films
>
> here is an extreme example of music composed that actually
> "plays' the data
>
> What would LHC sound like if it was a heavy metal band
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXEnDM3hydM
>
> it is described as higgs boson sonification
>
> but more seriously- in scientific data analysis visualisation is a dominant
> mode of presentation and the use of other modes of perception rarely used-
> now however with many scientists putting their data into game engines-many
> new modes of navigation through data are possible- including using sound
> as a perceptual aid or addition that helps scientists understand/look for
> patterns in their data- there is a growing community of researchers
> working on
> data sonification in general
>
> my colleague scot gresham lancaster is the producer of the sound and data
> channel on Creative Disturbance art-science podcast platform:
>
> http://creativedisturbance.org/channel/sound-data/
>
> where he discusses with various experts aspects of data and sound
>
> some of the motivation for all this is tied to what Eleanor Gibson termed
> "perceptual learning"
>
>
> http://psych.nyu.edu/adolph/publications/AdolphKretch-inpress-GibsonTheory.pdf
>
> On Gibson's (1969) account, perceptual learning entails an increased
> ability to extract relevant
> information from a stimulus array as the result of experience. The
> traditional view of perceptual
> learning, dating back to Bishop Berkeley in the 1700s, is that animals
> must learn to perceive; the
> information at sensory receptors is impoverished and meaningless and
> thus a complete percept
> requires learning. In Gibson's view, the information at receptors is
> sufficient to support complete
> percepts from the start, and thus animals needn't learn to perceive;
> rather, they perceive to learn
> (E. J. Gibson, 1989, July). Perceptual learning is the key to
> knowledge and where it all begins
>
>
> http://psych.nyu.edu/adolph/publications/AdolphKretch-inpress-GibsonTheory.pdf
>
> the fact is that in every day cognition/perception we 'toggle' between
> sensory modes
> seamlessly as the best way to "extract information from a stimulus array"-
> yes
> in scientific communication we use music or sound as an accompaniment
> rather
> than as a perceptual learning tool
>
> it seems to me this is a growing trend in scientific communication
>
> does anyone have other examples of project that 'play the data ' ?
>
>
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...have you watch this?

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humans

regards!!!
Ale

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 4:14 AM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> yasminers
>
> I thought i would inject a different line of discussion about the role
> of sound or music accompanying science communications films
>
> here is an extreme example of music composed that actually
> "plays' the data
>
> What would LHC sound like if it was a heavy metal band
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXEnDM3hydM
>
> it is described as higgs boson sonification
>
> but more seriously- in scientific data analysis visualisation is a dominant
> mode of presentation and the use of other modes of perception rarely used-
> now however with many scientists putting their data into game engines-many
> new modes of navigation through data are possible- including using sound
> as a perceptual aid or addition that helps scientists understand/look for
> patterns in their data- there is a growing community of researchers
> working on
> data sonification in general
>
> my colleague scot gresham lancaster is the producer of the sound and data
> channel on Creative Disturbance art-science podcast platform:
>
> http://creativedisturbance.org/channel/sound-data/
>
> where he discusses with various experts aspects of data and sound
>
> some of the motivation for all this is tied to what Eleanor Gibson termed
> "perceptual learning"
>
>
> http://psych.nyu.edu/adolph/publications/AdolphKretch-inpress-GibsonTheory.pdf
>
> On Gibson's (1969) account, perceptual learning entails an increased
> ability to extract relevant
> information from a stimulus array as the result of experience. The
> traditional view of perceptual
> learning, dating back to Bishop Berkeley in the 1700s, is that animals
> must learn to perceive; the
> information at sensory receptors is impoverished and meaningless and
> thus a complete percept
> requires learning. In Gibson's view, the information at receptors is
> sufficient to support complete
> percepts from the start, and thus animals needn't learn to perceive;
> rather, they perceive to learn
> (E. J. Gibson, 1989, July). Perceptual learning is the key to
> knowledge and where it all begins
>
>
> http://psych.nyu.edu/adolph/publications/AdolphKretch-inpress-GibsonTheory.pdf
>
> the fact is that in every day cognition/perception we 'toggle' between
> sensory modes
> seamlessly as the best way to "extract information from a stimulus array"-
> yes
> in scientific communication we use music or sound as an accompaniment
> rather
> than as a perceptual learning tool
>
> it seems to me this is a growing trend in scientific communication
>
> does anyone have other examples of project that 'play the data ' ?
>
> --
> Roger F Malina
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Friday, April 17, 2015

[Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

yasminers

I thought i would inject a different line of discussion about the role
of sound or music accompanying science communications films

here is an extreme example of music composed that actually
"plays' the data

What would LHC sound like if it was a heavy metal band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXEnDM3hydM

it is described as higgs boson sonification

but more seriously- in scientific data analysis visualisation is a dominant
mode of presentation and the use of other modes of perception rarely used-
now however with many scientists putting their data into game engines-many
new modes of navigation through data are possible- including using sound
as a perceptual aid or addition that helps scientists understand/look for
patterns in their data- there is a growing community of researchers working on
data sonification in general

my colleague scot gresham lancaster is the producer of the sound and data
channel on Creative Disturbance art-science podcast platform:

http://creativedisturbance.org/channel/sound-data/

where he discusses with various experts aspects of data and sound

some of the motivation for all this is tied to what Eleanor Gibson termed
"perceptual learning"

http://psych.nyu.edu/adolph/publications/AdolphKretch-inpress-GibsonTheory.pdf

On Gibson's (1969) account, perceptual learning entails an increased
ability to extract relevant
information from a stimulus array as the result of experience. The
traditional view of perceptual
learning, dating back to Bishop Berkeley in the 1700s, is that animals
must learn to perceive; the
information at sensory receptors is impoverished and meaningless and
thus a complete percept
requires learning. In Gibson's view, the information at receptors is
sufficient to support complete
percepts from the start, and thus animals needn't learn to perceive;
rather, they perceive to learn
(E. J. Gibson, 1989, July). Perceptual learning is the key to
knowledge and where it all begins

http://psych.nyu.edu/adolph/publications/AdolphKretch-inpress-GibsonTheory.pdf

the fact is that in every day cognition/perception we 'toggle' between
sensory modes
seamlessly as the best way to "extract information from a stimulus array"- yes
in scientific communication we use music or sound as an accompaniment rather
than as a perceptual learning tool

it seems to me this is a growing trend in scientific communication

does anyone have other examples of project that 'play the data ' ?

--
Roger F Malina

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[Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

Hello all,

I think this conversation, as it happened with light is my business, is
huge. I have some comments:

1) Paul, you said that "anything like this video (one form of
communication, one type of artistry: videography) has to be judged solely
with respect to its purpose, its function assuming that one exists (which
it does apparently for whomever created it)", which i agreed. However, i
think in all our works, it is space for something casual, not predicted.
Something which is not on the "screenplay", and in fact could be evaluated.
I think this space is in fact one of the very important spaces for art/sci
collaborations. In which way our work can be understood and "customized" by
a different researcher. kind of plasticity.

2) Following with this statement. Jose Carlos, i don´t like the word that
you used: prostitute it to science. Not because i´m kind of puritan,
neither because prostitute science is not real, which in fact it is plenty.
I don´t like because to do marketing to obtain money to do research is not
to prostitute nothing, it is just searching founds. The problem is not to
ask to money, is the way that you use. If you are interested to dramatize a
fild, why not to do it with artists. Was Kathryn who said "Actually
according to the NASA website the music is from a production house called
Killer Tracks founded in 1989". So, if you are interested in a kind of
art/sci work (light and sound video), may be is good to leave some of this
plasticity that i mention before. With this dramatized version, may be
there is not many space to develop an entire and deep art/sci
collaboration. Just peak Annick example: just pick Annick example
(Brilliant Noise http://semiconductorfilms.com/art/brilliant-noise/)
<http://semiconductorfilms.com/art/brilliant-noise/>. My opinion is that it
is just an idiological decision which one could enhance science
popularization, and for instance science. May be similar decision related
to the question of "as a scientist, do you think that artists could enhance
your work?" So, there are two principal points: first, art (here images and
sound) can enhance (make more visible, more dramatic) the video, and
second, work in a team fashion (to become real this plasticity of the
collaboration) creates a more disruptive/innovative ideas. So, may be
question could be: to communicate science, we need innovative ideas?

3) Finally, and connecting with this, Stephen, i understood (may be i
misunderstand you - language) that you said that science it is not felt, or
communicated, or understood, as an emotional discourse, even in reality it
is an emotional activity (i don´t know any not emotional human activity).
Personaly, i can not think on an activity more emotional than my work, as i
pass hundreds of hours in lab, feeling stressed, angry, happy, exultant,
depressed, ... depending on if in my screen appears an small blurry and
noisy dip which say to me that all of this emotions, pains, smiles, ...at
the end were for understand my work, or just trying on keeping (why we can
understand a rehearsal of a musician as a kind of emotional job, and lab
work as a rational one?, my brother is musician and his studio "passions"
are almost identical to mine !!). Science communication could help us to
change this myth. So, with another question, the NASA video is helping to
change this stereotype? May be in some degree, may be not. I think the
problem is not if science is emotional or not, which in fact we presumably
easily agreed that "of course". In my point of view science (and i guess
that may be is similar in all disciplines) has an strange self-dictatorship
relation where it is commonly understood that i do not need anything from
"outside" to develop my work (which, in my opinion, it is just a
contradiction, because science development needs interchanges,
collaborations, participation, discussions, ...). In any case, if it is
needed, is just a secondary thing. Happily this is changing.

Best,

Guillermo.
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Wednesday, April 15, 2015

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

As a none resider in anything I might say you very well described whatever
it would be the fact, object and mechanics of the interaction to any piece
of art, from.the limited perspective I see it.
It could seem even grothesque if not only naive or unuseful to pretend to
give a sense to a piece of art in advance. I completely agree. What I would
understand as being discussed here is:
how to assume, without unrespect to art, the need to best planify the
prostitution of this particular piece of art/shit as to be bonded to the
present of "the folk", as an exception to other most recent expressions in
my (underline and not as false modesty) limited knowledge of recent (and
past) history of art.
In this particular thread:how to prostitute it to science, if as the
cheapest, less elegant and more vulgar client it was.
Even when Stephen underlies the dlready excessive presence of science in
our "daily truths" (which I also agree) in here we discuss how to better
communicate science which I would say is more a qualitative than a
quantitative matter. And so we consider to prostitute art to us because of
the admiration we feel on its presence, because even objectively seems to
us the most quality vehicule we can use.

Said that,going (not straight) to the point, one of the qualities of art is
that even when the same piece can freely interact to the subjects to
produce an infinite range of emotions; given works, pieces or conjucts
might well describe or produce a very uniform response on a particular
population on a determinate time and space.

Thank u very much

Jc
El 15/04/2015 16:19, "Paul Fishwick" <metaphorz@gmail.com> escribió:

> Seems to me that most writers here are spot on (which I suppose could be a
> solar
> pun). I might suggest that we take a scientific perspective overall, which
> does
> speak to multimodal communication. Know thy (or your) audience deeply. The
> effect of an object (being a work of art or a video) depends completely on
> who is
> experiencing the object.
>
> Consider that I might show the video to a fifth grade class, or I might
> show it
> to college students, or to video artists, or to sound artists, or to
> mathematicians.
> What is the information to be conveyed? Are there one or more messages that
> are expect to be delivered? How should the video be crafted to meet my
> objectives?
>
> We may have ideological stances that the video or the audio should be of
> such-and-such an aesthetic or type, but none of that matters if the
> information
> or the messages are lost on the audience. If there are any of you out
> there who
> reside in journalism or communications programs, it would be interesting
> to hear
> from you. I may have missed parts of this long thread, but just wanted to
> add that
> anything like this video (one form of communication, one type of artistry:
> videography)
> has to be judged solely with respect to its purpose, its function assuming
> that one
> exists (which it does apparently for whomever created it).
>
> -paul
>
> Paul Fishwick, PhD
> Chair, ACM SIGSIM
> Distinguished University Chair of Arts & Technology
> and Professor of Computer Science
> Director, Creative Automata Laboratory
> The University of Texas at Dallas
> Arts & Technology
> 800 West Campbell Road, AT10
> Richardson, TX 75080-3021
> Home: utdallas.edu/atec/fishwick
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> SIGSIM Blog: modelingforeveryone.com
>
>
>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

Seems to me that most writers here are spot on (which I suppose could be a solar
pun). I might suggest that we take a scientific perspective overall, which does
speak to multimodal communication. Know thy (or your) audience deeply. The
effect of an object (being a work of art or a video) depends completely on who is
experiencing the object.

Consider that I might show the video to a fifth grade class, or I might show it
to college students, or to video artists, or to sound artists, or to mathematicians.
What is the information to be conveyed? Are there one or more messages that
are expect to be delivered? How should the video be crafted to meet my
objectives?

We may have ideological stances that the video or the audio should be of
such-and-such an aesthetic or type, but none of that matters if the information
or the messages are lost on the audience. If there are any of you out there who
reside in journalism or communications programs, it would be interesting to hear
from you. I may have missed parts of this long thread, but just wanted to add that
anything like this video (one form of communication, one type of artistry: videography)
has to be judged solely with respect to its purpose, its function assuming that one
exists (which it does apparently for whomever created it).

-paul

Paul Fishwick, PhD
Chair, ACM SIGSIM
Distinguished University Chair of Arts & Technology
and Professor of Computer Science
Director, Creative Automata Laboratory
The University of Texas at Dallas
Arts & Technology
800 West Campbell Road, AT10
Richardson, TX 75080-3021
Home: utdallas.edu/atec/fishwick
Lab Blog: creative-automata.com
SIGSIM Blog: modelingforeveryone.com




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Tuesday, April 14, 2015

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Why do Science Films often have such terrible use of music or sound

Raising money is also unpopular but needed to to keep the research ongoing
specially on an area that is, at least apparently, so far away from our
immediate needs. Maybe the joy of the beauty of a video such as this could
be the only reason to justify to myself the use of funds in such a
"pretentious" "ambitious" or "luxurious" activity as the space research.
Probably it could be true, not sure if u pretended to say so, that showing
how this research impacts our daily life through the progress it commands
in other sciences such as phisics (and so the rest, such as medicine) might
create a more durable feeling of agreement and support to this "great
science" investments, even if not necesariously get funding so inmeduatly.

You made me think hard my friend. As thanked to you as usually.
Sorry everyone for the spamming.
El 15/04/2015 02:34, "Guillermo Muñoz" <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com> escribió:

> Hello,
>
> Let´s follow with sound and music relation modulated by sun video, if my
> poor english let me do it.
>
> The video is a promotional video as the one that i sended about Valencia
> (in fact i sended last week but it was stoped until light discussion ends).
> In the video of my city the "objetc" to sell is tourism (so, come to
> Valencia !!). But in the NASA video the selling could be something like "we
> are developing good research" (so, please, don´t stop to give us money).
>
> In the discussion it is said that the composers are from these days, and
> the music was composed for this occasion (is it correct?). So, seems that
> it is not only a vulgarity or naive decission, and may be it is not wrong
> to say that it is well paid.
>
> I knew the Brilliant Noise film from Semiconductor, and this is just
> fascinating. It is not just a piece of art, it is an art science
> colaboration.
>
> I think promotional films have their space. The problem is: why we need it
> in science popularization? Most of the time, science popularization is
> justified by the, now yes, naives sentences like: science is knowledge, so,
> it is need pushing science to society. But, if we need to push education
> issues, why to do it in only one mode?,
>
> If we are interested only in the promotion (so, money), the other face of
> the coin is just saying that in fact we are not very interested in the
> educational issues. Why not to do it in both ways? So, in my opinion, the
> only way to do an honest educational program is recalling that all
> educational issues (science, art, humanities, ...., images, sounds, tastes,
> ...) are important and relevant. We are not superheros, we can not know
> everything of each area, but just an empathic predisposition could be
> enough.
>
> In all my work related to science popularization i listened many, many,
> many, many times words like: Chemistry is very important, or Physics is
> everywhere, or biology is amazing, ... but it is always said by chemists,
> physicists, biologists, ... I would like to see how a physycist said
> chemistry is very important, or a chemist saying biology is amazing, or a
> biologist saying physics is everywhere, etc, etc, if not may be science
> popularization is just a marketing work. And for sure, art, humanities are
> on the deal, because followin with the same statement, why to do science
> popuralization and not to do a complete educational popularization. So, in
> fact, it is a matter of cultural education, i.e. multimodal problem.
>
> Independet if we are interested in any marketing promotion (we need money
> to perform research), if we are developing a knowledge or educational
> activity, all points of view are important. In fact, the best marketing
> strategy to show that our research is good enough to be continously paid
> would be to show that it is multimodal (so, it would be expected more
> educative interactions, and hence more interesting social developments).
>
> Guillermo.
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