On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Leo Cardoso <leocardoso@mail.utexas.edu>wrote:
> discussing mediation/simulation in terms of the relationship between the
> receiver's body and the immersive environment is interesting and may lead
> to
> phenomenological questions, in the sense that the observer is conscious of
> his/her own immersion, and hence consciousness of the mediation itself;
> simulation necessarily implies mediation.
>
> a point in which the simulation/mediation coupling collapses is perhaps the
> direct simulation of experience from our very cognitive apparatus (i'll
> mention Vanilla Sky just to avoid the obvious matrix example...).
> at that point, however, (a) the awareness of mediation disappear, (b)
> simulation and reality become ineffective terms, and (c) the aesthetic
> experience (and i'm equating artwork with mediation) also fades away.
>
> immersive art is simply a mode of engaging the body in an aesthetic
> experience, which is quite the opposite of concealing that experience as a
> mediated one.
>
> Simon writes:
> "It is possible to argue that the thing being experienced and that
> experiencing are part of the same thing; that existence is found in the
> interaction between things".
>
> i'm not sure if i understand what you mean (english is not my primary
> language), perhaps you mean "thing *as* being experienced" or something
> like
> that.
> the thing being experienced = apple
> experiencing the thing = me eating the apple, experiencing the apple's
> taste, etc.
>
> what do you mean by 'part of the same thing'?
>
> what existence are you referring in 'that existence is found in the
> interaction between things'? if you talking about me experiencing the
> apple,
> then i certainly agree with you, as any other verb put between me and the
> apple in a sentence will refer to the interaction between these two things
> (me and the apple).
>
> how are we defining 'mediation'? what mediates my experience eating the
> apple?
>
> best,
>
> leoC
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:15 PM, fmarineo@libero.it <fmarineo@libero.it
> >wrote:
>
> > Simon writes:
> > "It is possible to argue that the thing being experienced and that
> > experiencing are part of the same thing; that existence is found in the
> > interaction between things".
> > I think this leads us to rethink the status of representation in
> accordance
> > with the "scientific" idea that the observer and the observed are part of
> > the same phenomenon. A very interesting perspective, and surely an
> > antirelativistic one, is that offered by Karen Barad in her book "Meeting
> > the Universe Halfway. Quantum physics and the entanglement of matter and
> > meaning", whose key concepts can also be found in her previously
> publsihed
> > short essay "Posthumanist Performativity: How Matter Comes to Matter"
> > (Signs, vol. 28, n. 3, 2003, pp. 801-831). Here, she develops the notion
> of
> > "agential realism" drawing on a critique of Bohr's physics, which I find
> > very fruitful for those working in between the artistic and the
> scientific
> > field (like me, on a theoretical level). Barad shifts from a
> > representationalist perspective to a performativist one (and here is
> where
> > feminist theory gives a great contribution), one which attributes
> > performativity to matter, and at the same time propose!
> > s an anti-representational form of realism.
> > Here, "relations do not follows relata", in Barad's words, but mattering
> is
> > itself a differentiating process (which also means that differences are
> not
> > pre-given). Barad's theory is very complex and fascinating, and I do not
> > want to enter into much detail here, but I firmly believe that her idea
> of
> > agential realism allows to reconceive the intra-actions between humans
> > (post-human in Barad's sense), non-humans, and the environments they live
> in
> > so as to abandon any metaphysics of purity or essential truth ( as well
> as
> > of immediacy), without nonetheless abandoning the possibility of
> > objectivity.
> >
> > Jennifer, about "Avatar": personally, the level of hypermediacy it
> carries
> > with it all the time made me have a filmic experience of total
> detachment.
> > Every second, I was so totally aware of its excess of mediation, that I
> was
> > never emotionally involved. Maybe, an alternance of hypermediacy and
> > immediacy would have catched me a little bit more.
> >
> > Pier Luigi: incidentally, the van de Vall's article I was mentioning in
> my
> > previous post talks about Cronberg's ExistenZ too...
> >
> > Best,
> > Federica
> >
> >
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