i see a lot of the argument that puts togehter things, actions, and words as
events as creating some kind of discursive short-circuit that either can be
both epistemological liberalizing and frustrating. even though we may talk
about sentences as being an event, we still construct them using subjects,
objects and verbs, and we communicate our experiences through those
frameworks (here i'm taking communication simply is a highly
conventionalized collection of symbols). again, any reader already knows
that me eating an apple are in a set of relationships that, unless we change
the sentence (for those reading) or the action (for those perceiving it)
cannot be undone.
i'm coming from an sociological/anthropological perspective, not a
philosophical one, and am more interested in understanding conventions than
in debunking them - a position aligned with Latour's ANT perspective (since
people here are bringing his name).
i sometimes discussions about art and non-art worlds become so blurred that
we don't even know what exactly we are discussing - as some think these are
just one thing, others experience those things *very* differently. in my
view this blurring might compromise discussions of simulation, mediation,
and perception.
leoC
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Simon Biggs <s.biggs@eca.ac.uk> wrote:
> Yes, all good points. I defer to this argument. However, I wasn¹t trying to
> position Barad as a phenomenologist but to situate her argument in a larger
> discourse, of which I think phenomenology is an important part. I also
> referred to Latour, who comes from a different perspective again (neither
> post-humanist or phenomenological). My own position is in neither
> post-humanist or humanist.
>
> Best
>
> Simon
>
>
> Simon Biggs
>
> Research Professor
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>
>
>
> From: "fmarineo@libero.it" <fmarineo@libero.it>
> Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:03:40 +0100
> To: yasmin_discussions <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Simulation, phenomena
>
> Simon,
> I don't believe that the way Barad speaks about phenomena and the way
> phenomenology intends phenomena are similar. In fact, Barad discusses this
> topic in detail in "Meeting the Universe Halfway", where she affirms that
> her use of the term phenomenon, which she admits belonging to a specific
> philosophical tradition, indicates neither the thing in itself nor the
> thing
> as it is perceived (as in phenomenology), but the "intra-action" (a term
> with which she replaces "interaction" so as not run the risk of talking
> about relations between two pre-existing elements, like subject/object)of
> an
> object and the measuring agencies, which both emerge from intra-action.
> Phenomena in Barad's sense are real physical entities (which makes her a
> realist, not a constructionist) that nonetheless are not given as separate
> in advance. Surely, they do not pertain to perception as the faculty of an
> autonomous subject.
> What follows is necessarily a post-humanist philosophy, about continuous
> mediations, hybrids, simulations, enactments and performances, whereas the
> phenomenon in phenomenology still belongs to a humanist philosophy that
> looks for correspondences between subjects and objects, still relying on a
> narrative of divisions (such as interiority/exteriority).
>
> Best,
> Federica
>
>
>
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