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From: "Simon Biggs" <s.biggs@eca.ac.uk>
To: "YASMIN DISCUSSIONS" <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Simulation, remediation
The concept of remediation doesn¹t just apply to obvious media, such as TV,
cinema or computers. It also applies to how humans are humanly remediated.
>From when we are born we begin to learn language and other social
>signifiers
and processes of exchange. The process of social mediation is initiated from
birth (it might even be possible to identify this process earlier in the
life cycle). Social mediation is not static, just as other media are not
static. The conventions around what things mean, and what their value might
be, change - as do their processes and structures. This is a process of
remediation. In this sense human is media.
The idea that it is possible to experience anything directly, as the
phenomenologists argued, is simply unsustainable.
Best
Simon
Simon Biggs
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edinburgh college of art
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From: Pier Luigi Capucci <plc@noemalab.org>
Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0100
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Simulation, remediation
Dear Federica,
thank you so much for posting Bolter and Grusin's ideas in "Remediation"...
the so called "immediacy" seems pervading the content of some media, like
for instance, cinema, the metaverses, and to some extent the videogames
(less television, which seems closer to hypermediacy), Anyway mediation is
unavoidable, both in immediacy and in hypermediacy. And far beyond the bare
images' realm.
Best!
Pier Luigi
Il giorno 21/gen/2010, alle ore 15.52, fmarineo@libero.it ha scritto:
> Hi everybody,
> I would like to add something to the issue of representation and its
> relation
to the logic of immediacy that it very often presupposes, one which does not
either leave space for mediation or, maybe worse from a political
perspective,
to that ³historical intermediacy²- to use an Homi Bhabha's expression -
where
the performative nature of differences, included those btw. real/virtual, or
real/representation, can emerge.
>
>
> Bolter and Grusin (1999) date the faith in an ³Ointerfaceless¹ interface²
> of
digital media back to Renaissance, where they locate the origin of the
aesthetic
of transparency, manifest in the metaphor of the window used to describe
monolinear perspective, which incidentally also accompanies the initial
applications of the graphical user interface. In this regard, they quote the
example that Norman Bryson makes about oil paint and its use as an ³erasive
medium². Postulating a correspondence between the medium and what it
represents,
rather than, more naively, between representation and the thing represented,
the
illusion of immediacy belongs to those who assert that we now live an
unprecendented moment in the history of technologies, given that new
technologies will eventually do without mediation. The historical
counterpart of
this desire for immediacy is the logic of hypermediacy that, rather than
seeing
representation as a window open toward the world, sees representation as
itself
³windowed², as a coexistence of multiple points of view. The logic of
hypermediacy is not only aware of, but also extremely fascinated by
mediation,
with which it plays, as we can see from the Medieval manuscripts, the
Baroque
cabinets of curiosities, the trompe-l¹oeil paintings and the collages and
photomontages of the the twentieth century, among the several artistic
expressions of hypermediacy.
>
> Bolter and Grusin, by the way, point at the interdependence between
> immediacy
and hypermediacy: ³just as hypermedia strive for immediacy, transparent
digital
technologies always end up being remediations, even as, indeed precisely
because, they appear to deny mediation² (Ibid., p. 54). Their notion of
³remediation² shows precisely how reality and mediation cannot be separately
conceived nor practiced, and how digital technologies do not changes the
status
quo more than they remediate the previous mediations. That is: neither the
medium nor the real exist in a pure form, independently from their
reciprocal
mediation (of their already mediated natures).
>
> Sorry for the long post!
>
> Federica Timeto
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