Are we sure that Death can not be simulated? (I'm Sure that actually Natasha
could say something about this perhaps, as I remember well her investigations
into what Death actually is.)
But what about clinical death? Re-Animation? A drowning victim brought back to
life? It seems there is a form of suspension, a window of time.
And what about Digital Life and Death? TheSuicideMachine
(http://suicidemachine.org/) allowing for the death of ones digital identity?
What about death in literature, death in imagination, is that a form of
simulation? If imagination is a form of simulation, then the limits of the
un-simulatable might be found there?
Jennifer
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From: derek hales <hales.derek@gmail.com>
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 9:13:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Around Simulation II - Simulated Senses and
the Un-Simulatable
to go back to the opening question - and with apologies, when Pier first
posed the question of what was un-simulatable / unsimulable, before staring
the discussion - I said something like "life"...I take it all back - it is
death. death cannot be simulated, perhaps the final rasping breath can - but
the completion of non - sense, the utter desolation of the senses, the
unconditioned, a void: this surely cannot be simulated?
derek
On 20 January 2011 07:10, derek hales <hales.derek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Yasmin,
>
> is the simulation of sense all we need for the real to become, in its
> treatment as entirely rational, *the* simulation...
>
> Derek
>
>
> On 18 January 2011 18:03, Ennio Bertrand <enniobertrand@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dear clarissa,
>> about shent
>> in 1996 I relized an installation to transmit perfumed photography by
>> internet in 4 different places
>> ennio bertrand
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Clarissa Ribeiro Pereira de Almeida <
>> almeida.clarissa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > And here, something about "computer-controlled olfactory displays" and
>> > smell
>> > simulation...
>> >
>> >
>> > On "Proustian effects"
>> >
>> > We can experience odors that tap into emotionally charged memories. This
>> > phenomenon has its roots in the olfactory system – some smells can
>> trigger
>> > memories of events that take place many years earlier. A phenomenon of
>> > Involuntary
>> > memory. A very famous mention in literature of this kind of sensorial
>> event
>> > in the Marcel Proust novel *In Search of Lost Time*, where the
>> > narrator experiences
>> > an awakening upon tasting a madeleine dipped in tea:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "She sent out for one of those short, plump little cakes called petites
>> > madeleines, which look as though they had been moulded in the fluted
>> > scallop
>> > of a pilgrim's shell. And soon, mechanically, weary after a dull day
>> with
>> > the prospect of a depressing morrow, I raised to my lips a spoonful of
>> the
>> > tea in which I had soaked a morsel of the cake. No sooner had the warm
>> > liquid, and the crumbs with it, touched my palate than a shudder ran
>> > through
>> > my whole body, and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary changes that
>> > were taking place…at once the vicissitudes of life had become
>> indifferent
>> > to
>> > me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusory […]" (Marcel
>> > Proust, *Remembrance
>> > of Things Past, Volume 1: Swann's Way*. London: Chatto and Windus,
>> 1922.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Recognizing *odors associated with meaningful places*:
>> >
>> > http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/amerjpsyc.123.3.0281
>> >
>> > MIT Neuroscientists Explain 'Proustian Effect' Of Small Details Attached
>> To
>> > Big Memories:
>> >
>> >
>>http://chem.info/News/Feeds/2011/01/topics-plant-operations-mit-neuroscientists-explain-proustian-effect-of-sm/
>>/
>> >
>> > Projection-Based Olfactory Display with Nose Tracking
>> > ISBN: 0-7803-8415-6
>> > Most attempts to realize an olfactory display have involved capturing
>> and
>> > synthesizing the odor. This work focus on spatio-temporal control of
>> odor
>> > rather than synthesizing odor itself:
>> > http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/VR.2004.1310054
>> >
>> >
>> > <
>> >
>>http://chem.info/News/Feeds/2011/01/topics-plant-operations-mit-neuroscientists-explain-proustian-effect-of-sm/
>>/
>> > >
>> >
>> > And here we can read about the *SubSmell System*:
>> >
>> > The idea of adding the SubSmell logo to the movie for describing the
>> scent
>> > of each event in the movie has been proposed to improve the current way
>> of
>> > seeing movies, which can perceive only pictures and sound. Using the
>> > SubSmell, the audience can smell the movie. The audiences need a
>> SubSmell
>> > application to read a SubSmell and an olfactory display in order to
>> release
>> > scent.
>> >
>> > http://www.springerlink.com/content/p642p43x04n61567/
>> >
>> > A Thesis on "*Symbolic Olfactory Display*" exploring the problems and
>> > possibilities of computer-controlled scent output.
>> >
>> > by Joseph Nathaniel Kaye
>> >
>> > S.B. Brain & Cognitive Science,
>> >
>> > Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1999
>> >
>> >
>>http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~jofish/thesis/symbolic_olfactory_display.html<http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Ejofish/thesis/symbolic_olfactory_display.html>
>>>
>> <
>> http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Ejofish/thesis/symbolic_olfactory_display.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Clarissa Ribeiro
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/1/17 Clarissa Ribeiro Pereira de Almeida <
>> almeida.clarissa@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > … "So what is un- un-simulatable? And why?"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Here, just an instantaneous free writing exercise around the questions
>> I
>> > > want to share:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *"A moist media pulp fiction (or an escape attempt from the
>> > simulatable)"*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > A datacloud was fluctuating in a datasky. Radio waves were *flowing
>> > by*slowly and dancing and shaking the cloud waves-particles. For a
>> databeing
>> > > who was observing the system, the scale was macro; the time was
>> complex;
>> > the
>> > > sun was shining, as unusual. The cloud was so excited that was about
>> to
>> > rain
>> > > and give birth to a moist context that could be the beginning of a new
>> > > reality in a system of realities. Escaping from this about to born
>> > reality,
>> > > the moist nature of the rain was just a temporary sensorial illusion
>> of
>> > the
>> > > databeing who was vibrating as the radio waves *pervase* its structure
>> –
>> > "
>> > > *Take it as it comes /Specialize in having fun*". Suddenly, in an
>> > > unpredictable instant, here comes the rain. By maters of the
>> observation,
>> > > the soft rain becomes a datapool where one can quantum jumping and
>> meet a
>> > > myriad of multiple selves. Entangled delicate un-simulatable reality.
>> > Here
>> > > comes the sun. It's all right!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Clarissa Ribeiro
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2011/1/17 Pier Luigi Capucci <plc@noemalab.org>
>> > >
>> > > Dear Yasminers,
>> > >>
>> > >> in this second discussion about the simulation issues the topics (the
>> > >> un-simulatable and the simulation of the senses) are very different,
>> > >> although related. In the remote and mediated communication some
>> senses
>> > we
>> > >> normally use and that are very important in our everyday's life -
>> like
>> > smell
>> > >> and touch - simply do not pass, they are not effective, are useless.
>> > While
>> > >> the simulation hugely involves the sight and the hear, which are the
>> so
>> > >> called "superior senses", all the other sensory information is
>> dropped
>> > out.
>> > >>
>> > >> Asimple information about the chemical senses:
>> > >> http://www.slideshare.net/lwolberg/chemical-senses-smell-and-taste
>> > >>
>> > >> Many times we have heard about the need of restructuring and
>> redefining
>> > >> the communication, a critique about "balancing" and discussing the
>> > >> communication's issues. Many important international events (like the
>> > almost
>> > >> concurrent Transmediale) seem devoted to the ethical issues of the
>> > >> communication. But maybe the problem is at a more general level, on
>> the
>> > fact
>> > >> that from a sensory viewpoint the remote and mediated communication
>> is
>> > >> poorer than the direct one because drops out an important part of the
>> > way we
>> > >> "get in touch" with each other. Hence we must admit we accepted to
>> > >> communicate more rapidly, over greater distance, in an increasingly
>> > >> affordable and economic way, but in exchange for an impoverished
>> > >> communication.
>> > >>
>> > >> On the other side, in a world where the information is extensively
>> > >> simulated by the mass media and the new media - a topic debated in
>> our
>> > first
>> > >> discussion last year in Yasmin - is there anything which can't enter
>> the
>> > >> realm of simulation, which can't be simulated, hence reduced - since
>> the
>> > >> simulation is always a reduction of the phenomenon which is being
>> > simulated?
>> > >> So what is un-simultable? And why?
>> > >>
>> > >> What are the artist doing in this direction?
>> > >>
>> > >> Some more info later!
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you and best,
>> > >>
>> > >> Pier Luigi
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Pier Luigi Capucci
>> > >> e-mail: plc@noemalab.org
>> > >> web: http://www.noemalab.org/plc/plc.html
>> > >> skype: plcapucci
>> > >>
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