I'd also suggest you look at http://WS02.com - its not art, but it is an
open source business operating mainly from Sri Lanka with a small part
of the team based in the UK and US.
It is an amazing model addressing precisely the issue you are raising.
Chris
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Cynthia B Rubin wrote:
> Hi Yasminers
>
> It is interesting to consider the implications of Annick's comments
> and Murat's comments together. Open Source software is in fact an
> invention that might have been patented in another time. But the
> spirit of sharing depends on wealth in some form - either because the
> author(s) live in countries which are wealthy enough to support "a
> market place of ideas" , meaning that they will find income (usually
> through Universities) that respects the ideas without the need of a
> tangible product.
>
> On the other hand, poorer countries do not have this sort of system in
> place, and it is difficult for creative thinkers there to imagine
> giving away their code.
>
> One challenge that I think that those of us in wealthier countries
> face is how to engage our colleagues in less wealthy countries, so
> that they can reep some benefits of "open source publishing" . This
> would mean attaching some value to giving away their ideas through
> sharing. Benefits might include artist residencies, fellowships, guest
> lecturing.etc.
>
> As for producing actual objects, I would suggest that the same
> principal applies as the intangible object of open source code. It is
> the invention that counts, and while the wealthier countries are
> touting the benefits of free sharing, we are creating a new digital
> divide of those who simply cannot imagine giving away the fruits of
> their labor because they will quite literally have nothing to show for
> it.
>
> Cynthia Beth Rubin
> http://CBRubin.net
>
> On Mar 2, 2009, at 3:58 AM, Annick Bureaud wrote:
>
>> Often, when I throw the terms : "artists as inventors" and "patent"
>> immediatly come the words : Open Source and Creative Commons.
>> This is a new direction, how do you take that into account in the
>> overall discussion ?
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:29 PM, murat germen wrote:
>> i would like to add couple of things...
>>
>> contemporary conceptual art rests heavily on ideas as we know. it's
>> not the craft in the work but the idea usually that makes the work
>> valuable these days (i personally value craft as well, in addition to
>> "the" idea by the way). art market is an amazingly active market,
>> even in the days of economical crisis the amount of sales and
>> activity is surprisingly substantial. the simple equation goes like
>> this: art depends on idea, art has a market value, then artistic idea
>> has a market value too (sometimes millions of dollars) and it has to
>> be legally protected somehow.
>>
>> i visited paris photo last year, japan was the guest country. there
>> is one japanese photographer (among others) that i really like;
>> hiroshi sugimoto. he is especially known with some very minimal
>> seascapes (http://www.sugimotohiroshi.com/seascape.html). sugimoto
>> sells very well, i saw a photo from the seascape series which was
>> around 70.000 euros and it had 5 red dots on it. when i was walking
>> through thousands of images, one seascape photo caught my attention
>> in another booth and it looked very much like a sugimoto photo. i
>> approached to see details, saw it was somebody else's and felt pretty
>> awkward. this particular style is sugimoto's signature, it is in a
>> way a reserved slot in these circles and producing something very
>> similar to it, is taking advantage of the commercial potential of the
>> particular expression style. yes, everybody can take sea photos; but
>> there are tons of other ways to deal with sea and water...
>>
>> i am not claiming at all that artistic idea is a more worthwhile
>> invention than other "types" of inventions that made our lives more
>> easy, pleasant, rich, etc.; but artistic creation, though not
>> indispensable and vital, is something that can make our lives
>> different, enjoyable, excited at times. since creation is directly
>> linked with idea, there should be some sort of a right protection
>> process involved within the art world. but i cannot at this moment
>> propose a particular protection system since i am not knowledgeable
>> at all in law...
>>
>> regards
>> murat
>>
>>
>> <<< +90 532 473 8970 (gsm mobile)
>> <<< muratgermen@gmail.com
>> <<< http://www.muratgermen.com
>> <<< http://www.flickr.com/photos/muratgermen/
>
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