This is the first time I am posting to this group. Short introduction
Jacky Sawatzky, artist, nomadic
While reading the interesting posts an observation came to mind does
collective genius need to include the person. or can the knowledge
gained, from spending time or more acuratly said going into dialogue
with an art-piece, a painting or musical composition also seen as a
form of collective genius? By including the traces of human
geniuses , a path can be traced that exists in multi dimensional
planes (4 and up). Including time as a in bend-space not (only) in a
linear way. Leaving the individual as a collection of moments never
owned, though only the choice of which of these moments form a new
collection goes on as a manifestation of a genius?
Odd thoughts, but very familiar a cat would say.
greetings, Jacky
On 12-Aug-09, at 8:53 PM, Stewart Dickson wrote:
> Yes, I think that, since the 1960's, there has been a vague,
> cultural meme to the effect that
> massively-parallel human consciousness will lead to some kind of
> collective rapture.
> I shared youthful illusions of that sort of scenario.
> Since the 1980s, however, I tend to be more cynical.
> First I have to circumvent the YASMIN list's tendency to delete
> binary image attachments from e-mail.
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=377885&l=a51e71717b&id=700072487
>
> Does this work? The link is supposed to show a bell-curve graph
> of emergent, collective IQ versus individual IQ.
> I think that generally, one sees diminishing marginal returns.
>
> In the old days, there was Sovreignty of the Individual.
> Postmodernism says, among other things, that it is no longer
> possible that the Individual can be a generalist.
> I say that this opinion is hogwash since the advent of the Internet.
> That is the Noosphere.
> I am jacked-in to the Noosphere.
> Call that a collective, if you want, but I am operating as a a free
> agent within that 'collective'.
>
> What I see is that funding an art collective only ensures that the
> funding organization will never be embarrassed by the actions of an
> individual artist. My opinion is that what you get is Art by
> Committee.
>
> The exception occurs only in very unique circumstances, in very
> special groups, where there exists a particularly potent kind of
> creative intimacy between the collaborators.
>
> "First we fell in love." Is how Brenda Laurel described her group
> who developed "Placeholder" at the Banff Art & Virtual Environments
> Programme in 1994.
>
> A true, individual 'genius' is fundamentally embarrassing until he
> is dead. At that time, his work is edited and sanitized. The
> view you get in retrospect is never an accurate picture of the
> individual as he was when he was alive.
>
> Everybody who ever employed Bucky Fuller thought that he was an
> asshole. And he was.
> During his lifetime, Leonardo Da Vinci thought that he was a
> Military Engineer.
> Read Cliff Pickover's "Strange Brains and Genius". Genius comes
> with things like Tourette's Syndrome.
> People with Tourette's are profoundly annoying. Believe me. It
> goes way beyond <*"BITCH-FUCK!"*>
> copralalia. (Sorry, that was the Tourette's talking.)
>
> ramon guardans wrote:
>> greetings yasminers
>>
>> first i think "genius" is a kind of funny self defeating term, you
>> need propagation for a genious and thus its a social construct and
>> not an individual.
>>
>> one example i would like to explore is Margaret Hamilton who
>> directed the team that developped the software in the saturn5 and
>> apollo linking, for the first time in civilian evirionments, the
>> pyrotechnics developed by the nazi engineers, with the
>> gyroscopes, telecoms and astronomical calulations of trajectory
>> and speed.
>>
>> her work was so good that the whole softwre did not have one
>> significant bug or glitch in 15 flights and somehow nobody has
>> ever herd about her.
>>
>> also it was arround the saturn5 team (a collective geniuas run by
>> one discrete woman) that people learned about flowcharts and
>> programming computers to do things
>>
>> see
>> http://www.klabs.org/history/history_docs/mit_docs/gnc.htm
>>
>> and in particular
>> http://www.klabs.org/history/history_docs/mit_docs/1711.pdf
>>
>> p19 for the role of margaret hmilton
>>
>> and also this rahter creepy
>>
>>
>> http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11Hamilton.html
>>
>> so we have here a process (the intorduction of computers into
>> civil society and the use of large scale complex planning tools)
>> that happend arround the saturn5 apollo programe at nasa, this did
>> play a hughe role in shaping our ways today, smart and effective,
>> new and productive work of a genius..
>>
>> but she was not available for interviews
>>
>> be well
>> r
>>
>>
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