I was indeed pointing towards a broader interpretation of the poetic - into text and other forms of expression that might be termed 'language'. Hearing about the Mathematicians involved in OULIPO and the foundation of Leonardo is fascinating.
As well as groups and movements the areas of sound and poetic experimentation produced highly individual figures whose work breaking open form and testing out then contemporary technologies presaged what came later. Henry Chopin is another figure who is worth referencing here...his distinctive strain of sound poetry -----cutting and pasting magnetic tape and making typewriter poems - is outlined at the links below and who developed a 'poetry of spaces'....going futher than existing classifications.....
http://www.soulsphincter.com/2008/01/tribute-to-henry-chopin.html
and for more about his typewriter poems
http://cubittartists.org.uk/index.php?module=eventsmodule&action=view&id=125
I have just seen Jared's latest posting and will think on...
yours
Bronac
<Wanted to thank you for your really thoughtful post putting
some of our discussion in historical context, particuarly the work
of Margaret Masterman that I wasnt familiar with.
It makes explicit one of the interesting strands in new technologies
and poetry which is the excitement in the circles around emerging
computer technologies, cyrbernetics, systems theory= machine languages.
You mention that in 1968 computerized literature was a decade old'
and much of that history is grounding in experimental literature that
pre dates the computer of course.
I thought I would bring in another historical strand= two of the founding
editors of Leonardo Journal were Francois Le Lyonnais and Claude
Berge, both originally mathematicians= and members of the OULIPO
group which included Georges Peresc and Italo Calvino. Claude Berge
also started a groupe called OUPIMPO. which did for painting what
OULIPO did for literature ( harvard astronomer Whipple published an article in
Leonardo on 'stochastic painting:influenced by these ideas). Queneau's
a Hundred Billion poems was published in 1961. There must be a million
web poems these days that exploit their ideas- and there are automatic
web poems being
created as we speak !>
roger
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