Sunday, December 12, 2010

[Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY


Gender/Science/Technology/Art and POETRY !

Another comment on your post- your mention of margaret masterman
and of lilian lijn as examples reminded me of a backround topic
that came up as we put
together this yasmin discussion= that of gender and the topic of
science/technology/poetry- science and technology are so male dominated
in many disciplines, whereas this is not true in poetry in general.

An interesting poet that Tim Peterson mentioned
as were were putting together this yasmin discussion was:

Stephanie Strickland= see

see her hyperpoem at

She was an author in the LEA special issue
that tim peterson edited on new media and poetry

but another interesting artist and poet is Judy Malloy who has been a pioneer
in in line interactive literarure and poetry

who published the leonardo book "women, art and technology"
which addressed some of the gender issues

see :

the hard sciences in general, and engineering and computing in general,
have failed to find ways to involve women broadly in their
professions and remain male dominated= how does our overall
topic of science, technology, art and poetry reflect the sociological
realities ?


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Date: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

 Back in the 60s she was commissioned by the ICA in London to make a
work for their exhibition about Guillaume Apollonaire (as you can see
at which she
called Poemkon=D=4=Open=Apollinaire. 'Liliane continues to investigate
the notion of words, sub-atomic particles and reality in flux' - in a
career which has taken her to many places including University of
Berkeley Space Science Lab where she spent time as artist in residence
producing many works relating to discourse across disciplines as well
as pieces of poetic matter made from interstellar dust or

I wanted to also say a bit more about Margaret Masterman whose
Computerised Haiku made with Robin McKinnon was also a great feature
of the ICA's programme in the 60s when it was shown at Cybernetic
Serpendipity as has been well- documented. I have a bit of a
connection to this work as she lived in the house where my sister and
her family in Cambridge by coincidence now live and indeed I am
writing this email from a room at the top there.&#160; It was a house
where she stayed for many decades with her husband Richard Braithwaite
who was a Professor of Moral Philosophy at Cambridge and they together
helped form a significant group called the Cambridge Language Research
laboratory - a constellation around which some vital work was done
relating to natural and machine language processing which had its base
further along the same road at No 20.  The point I wanted to make in
relation to our discussion is that Masterman and McKinnon's work did
something exceptional in 1968 in so f
 ar as they allowed users to work directly with their programme - to
cite Wayne Clements thesis mentioned earlier by Paul Brown:


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