Monday, February 28, 2011

[Yasmin_discussions] Publishing

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Friday, February 25, 2011

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: closing up

Dear Yasminers,

As Salvatore reminded us that the end of this interesting discussion
is coming to an end, I have realized that I have not fulfilled my intent to
contribute.

Among the widespread threads of the discussion, it might be useful to
remember that the traditional print publishing community is seriously
concerned about how to move forward and what constitutes "the next step"
in the publishing industry. This was brought home to me at a round
table discussion we organized last year for representatives of the journal
and magazine industry at KMDI, University of Toronto. While the debate
went on for many hours, it was difficult to reach agreement and a
satisfactory conclusion re updating and implementing viable digital formats.
The struggle goes on.

In contrast the on-line format of some traditional journals (Leonardo among
them) seem to be effective. Others, originally intended for internet
publication are also
thriving. And internet dissemination of news items, including wiki-leaks
has been hugely successful.

If anybody has any last minute comments - it would be great to hear

best

nina czegledy

Dear Yasminers,

we are coming to the end of our discussion on the scenarios of the next
steps of publishing.

While limited in participation, i thing that very important topics emerged,
from new possible perceptions of cities, the changing role of design, the
mutation of what we can call books, our bodies becoming one with
information, new languages, new forms of writing, new ideas for
accessibility, education and knowledge, and the scenarios of innovative
economies, relationships, forms of expression and freedoms.

We wish to give our discussants the opportunity to leave their final
remarks, and we'll be archiving the discussion by the end of the weekend.

At the end, we will also publish the interactive interface that we built as
a knowledge publishing prototype, filled with the discussion.

all my best,
Salvatore
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

it seems to be that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXGAAvGoXMc
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Thursday, February 24, 2011

[Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: closing up

Dear Yasminers,

we are coming to the end of our discussion on the scenarios of the next
steps of publishing.

While limited in participation, i thing that very important topics emerged,
from new possible perceptions of cities, the changing role of design, the
mutation of what we can call books, our bodies becoming one with
information, new languages, new forms of writing, new ideas for
accessibility, education and knowledge, and the scenarios of innovative
economies, relationships, forms of expression and freedoms.

We wish to give our discussants the opportunity to leave their final
remarks, and we'll be archiving the discussion by the end of the weekend.

At the end, we will also publish the interactive interface that we built as
a knowledge publishing prototype, filled with the discussion.

all my best,
Salvatore
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Tuesday, February 22, 2011

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

Hi Simon and all ,


Every author creates a new author and new texts ("Next Step mutual-
self-Publishing")... this is the ruin of the cultural market as we know
it... ""

The cyberspace signals Roland Barthes' "death of the author", the
disappearance of God and his hypostases-reason, science and law, while
witnessing a fuzzy logic determination in holistic, time-space compressed
cyberspace. Meaning and knowledge are not constant inherited values;
rather, they gain new 'duree' of meaning while we are immersed in real-time
in the data hyper-sphere- Augmented reality...
Avi. .


-----Original Message-----
From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
[mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of simone
arcagni
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:16 AM
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

Hi Avi and Salvatore,
it¹s very interesting for me your discussion... in my opinion the next
future of publishing is creating ideas, data, news, in general, texts, but
no longer supports, just texts to introduce in a new space that is
cyberspace (³utopian²? maybe, or ³e-topia² as William Mitchell defined the
city in the networking society). In cyberspace every text will be sharable
and modifiable and it will create new texts. The problem is: and the author?
And copyright? That¹s the point. Every author creates a new author and new
texts ("Next Step mutual- self-Publishing")... this is the ruin of the
cultural market as we know it... Salvatore talked about ³intellectual
property and data/information ownership, and censorship and openness²...
Artists now can play with ³intellectual property and data/information
ownership, and censorship and openness² because they fight against an old
cultural market system, but what will happen after the crisis of this model?
I can not see different system. Maybe Sal is right when he writes: ³as in
all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable cities, living
cities and all the others, the place for publishers will probably sit "on
top" of the ecosystem created by these "new countries" (which, actually,
overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
autonomous forms of expression on them.² But we have to begin to think about
³augmented reality² as a real space. We experience the real space through
senses that are instruments (maybe media) and we experience cyberspace
through media that augmente our senses and evinromental. We modifie every
space with our living, with our senses and our instruments. Publishing is
like contemporary cities: a question of space (see Manuell Castells about
the question of space in network society).
We have to think in space and for space and leave a time model of thinking
(cinema, novel, history left to right, up to bottom, author, publishing
house, capitalism, in general Modernity). A space model of thinking means to
publish at the same time texts for individuals and community, for cities and
network, for local and global. Texts that are places.

You can see this other example, another website, ³cityoneminutes²
(http://www.cityoneminutes.org/#/utrecht/0), a map where you can see or
broadcast videos about cities. An emotional map of the international cities.
It¹s very interesting the overlap of two spaces: real and virtual. They
create a map and a (e-)book in fieri...

Simone


Il 17-02-2011 7:21, "Avi Rosen" <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il> ha scritto:

> Hi Salvatore
> Cyberspace is an Utopian space we live in, and completely agree upon
> :-) We can use it in any way, sometime subversive, like in "Digital Skin"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0-lFamDr4
> where I digitized myself to an embedded information layer of "Google
> earth & sky"...
> we are(through our extensions) in superposition (simultaneously
> everywhere in time-space domain) we can call it: "Next Step mutual-
> self-Publishing" .
> Avi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> xDxD.vs.xDxD
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> Statement
>
> hi Avi,
>
> actually: i completely agree to that.
>
> and that includes Bateson & Mead ( representation through differences
> and networked expressions and importance of personal experience) and
> Debord (redefinig the world according to experience/condition/context)
> and Deleuze (time and space unified by the subject)
>
> which probably answers both questions: which are probably the same
> single question placed according to different directions.
>
> images on cell phones and tv screens are personal experience, as much
> as we interpret them. and "we are seeing them with the eye": they
> could have easily not existed (man on the moon anyone?) and it wouldn't
have mattered.
>
> as Orson Welles in "F for Fake": "it is not important if it's real or
> fake, as long as it is a good fake"
>
> and, turning around and observing the same thing from the opposite
> direction: these technologies which we are talking about are really
> about multiplication, fluidification and interconnection.
> multiplication of layers, emergence of unexpected somethings,
> identities that turn fluidly from 1 to 100000 to 0, as people move
> continuously back and forth from individuality, collectivity,
> anonymity, just as their information and stories do.
>
> in this situation: there is no answer. everything is a scenario.
>
> including the idea of intellectual property, data ownership and the
> definitions of what "forms of expressions" are.
>
> again here i think that the word "multiplication" helps a lot, and it
> looks to me as if it is a really effective descriptor of contemporary
times.
>
> the more interesting ideas of a "next-step-publisher" that i can think
> of have a lot to do with it. And, sadly for Facebook & C., they
> requrie levels of accessibility, remixability, openness, transparency,
> plurality, autonomy, tolerance and freedom that these large operators
> just cannot provide. unless they mutate in radical ways.
>
> and this is not a "moral" consideration, but a technical one.
>
> salvatore
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Avi Rosen
> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>wrote:
>
>> Hi Salvatore,
>> Our knowledge of global and local events is not of a personal
>> experience anymore, it is heavily based on digital media : Facebook,
>> Twitter. Google, CNN, Wikileaks etc. as Jean Baudrillard
>> suggested:" The Middle east revolution Did Not Take Place" for most
>> of us it existed more as images on computer, cell phone and TV
>> screens than personal experience, that most of the decisions and
>> occurrences in the revolution were based on perceived data coming
>> from internet, images, sounds and news, than from actual
>> seen-with-the-eye
> experience.
>>
>> The question in simulacra or Cimulacra (C=speed of light
>> communication) era, is what really are the "possibilities and
>> freedoms of expression and on creating the conditions for sustainable
>> forms of expression"? And what is "personal expression intellectual
>> property and data/information ownership"?...
>> Avi.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
>> xDxD.vs.xDxD
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:31 AM
>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>> Statement
>>
>> Hi Avi,
>>
>> global internet operators are, indeed, an interesting example of
>> "next step publishers", i totally agree to that. yet in their actions
>> they completely miss a series of points for what concerns the
>> possibility (and freedoms, by the way) of expression and on creating
>> the conditions for sustainable forms of expression.
>>
>> first of all the issues concerning intellectual property and
>> data/information ownership, and of censorship and openness.
>>
>> and then: while all these services enact entire new scenarios for
>> personal expression (and they assume the role of next-step-publishers
>> in this) their strategies focus a lot more on people working for free
>> on
> their platforms.
>>
>> these operators seem more like next-step-governments (or
>> next-step-bureaucracies, or next-step-global-city-administrations)
>> than next-step-publishers, at least for what concerns their core
> businesses.
>>
>> it seems to me that really interesting scenarios for publishing live
>> more "on top" of these operators.
>>
>> As ethics change and the idea of "sharing" becomes a central
>> component of the idea of "value", and as networks complete their
>> action in creating one single, global, city-nation-metropolis that is
>> layered on top of the world, in which countries, local
>> administrations and governments start to loose all meanings and
>> powers, global operators turn into the new administrations and
governments.
>>
>> i think it was remarkable observing how Google handled the debate
>> with
>> China(!) about censorship: it was a diplomatic dialogue!
>>
>> as in all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable
>> cities, living cities and all the others, the place for publishers
>> will probably sit "on top" of the ecosystem created by these "new
>> countries" (which, actually,
>> overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
>> autonomous forms of expression on them.
>>
>> if this process is open and accessible, and if it is designed with
>> ethnography and cultural anthropology in mind, it can create entirely
>> new layers of information and narratives, bringing forth new forms of
>> awareness (to the environment, energy, emotions, economy...) together
>> with new forms of stories and, if openness, accessibility and
>> freedoms are a focus in this process, also with new tolerant, free
>> forms of
> expressions.
>>
>> In this for example, i find both radically provocative and very
>> interesting the comment made earlier on by Natasha, as it points out
>> a real transformation of "self" inside a networked humanity. While i
>> do not share many of the points of view of transhumanism, i find very
>> interesting and stimulating the idea of suggesting a complete
> change/mutation.
>>
>> and i also the ideas of multiple, autonomous-yet-networked
>> individuals/groups in the examples by Simone, Roger and Massimo as
>> new forms of "eyes" which not only produce new "visions", but also
>> produce new "environments" and "imaginaries" for visions layered and
>> interconnectable on top of a digital-analog world.
>>
>> in this: the scenario suggested by large operators such as Facebook,
>> using centralized databases, closedness, inacessibility, censorship
>> and the lack of sustainability models (both cultural and economic)
>> for the participants is a *big* problem. And, again, it is not so
>> much about publishing: maybe more about government.
>>
>> best,
>> Salvatore
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luca,
>>> I believe that the internet hubs such as "Google", "Yahoo", "Facebook"
>>> etc. are the future (present) publishers, while encompassing global
>>> data base they provide individually tailored content exemplar,
>>> according to surfer's preferences and browsing history (including
>>> references of Google Scholar 4 scientific content ...)
>>> http://www.artciencia.com/Admin/Ficheiros/AVIROSEN191.pdf
>>> A.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
>>> Luca Simeone
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:39 PM
>>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>>> Statement
>>>
>>> Hi Avi & yasminers,
>>>
>>> I see your point. What we also see though is that in some cases
>>> publishing strategies are still partially driven by specific
>>> editorial processes. For example, as John Wilbanks argues in a
>>> recent post published on
>>> http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/on_science_publishing
>>> the distribution of scientific content is still strongly tied to
>>> traditional processes even though it has obviously changed because
>>> of what you call cyber-aura.
>>> Publishers and the evaluation / editorial processes they set up and
>>> organize are still an important component in selecting, packaging
>>> and distributing scientific content. So, again, we see that some
>>> elements from the traditional author/publisher relation are still
>>> alive and they still profoundly affect the distribution of
>>> scientific
> knowledge.
>>>
>>> Is this a value to save in the future? What will be the role of
>>> publishers in the future? Will there be a new configuration where
>>> horizontal processes (with no aura) cross vertical processes backed
>>> by
>> some sort of authorities?
>>>
>>> I guess this is our big question mark with FakePress!
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> l
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Avi Rosen
>>> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Luca & yasminers.
>>>>
>>>> " in (an auratic?) specific time and space"...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When time-space is no longer experienced in Euclidian manner, the
>>>> gap between traditional publishing and individual content distribution
>>>> vanishes, as content rolls past the PC, tablet, or cellular display
>>>> according to our individual preferences and surfing history.
>>>>
>>>> At the turn of the twentieth century Paul Valery predicted: "Just
>>>> as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from far
>>>> off to satisfy our need in response to a minimal effort, so we
>>>> shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will appear
>>>> and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more
> than a sign."
>>>>
>>>> This fact led to a dramatic turning-point of the disappearance of
>>>> the traditional author/publisher, and the birth of the cyber-aura
>>>> witnessed by the cyber-flâneur (surfer). The meaning of individual
>>>> cyber publishing and its cyber-aura according to traditional
>>>> iconological and iconographical tools turned irrelevant. It is now
>>>> valued according to a system of fuzzy logic, dealing with the
>>>> concept of partial truth with values ranging between ³completely
>>>> true² and
>>> ³completely false".
>>>>
>>>> Avi.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>>>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
>>>> Luca Simeone
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:42 PM
>>>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>>>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>>>> Statement
>>>>
>>>> hi marc and yasminers,
>>>>
>>>> well, i guess our point of view is that there are several, multiple
>>>> competing truths at the same time (or none). traditional publishing
>>>> processes select, package and distribute information and, in so
>>>> doing, design specific configurations of reality.
>>>> fakepress wants to somewhat re-articulate this approach multiplying
>>>> the layers related to the publishing process. this process (for
>>>> traditional publishers) was just fixed and determined in (an
>>>> auratic?) specific time and space. this sort of aura related to the
>>>> publishing processes was also an important component to
> shape the authority of the publishers.
>>>> in some ways, it's like fakepress wants to question both this
>>>> authority and the idea that the moment of 'printing' / 'publishing'
>>>> / 'press' is frozen in time and space. but, at the same time, we
>>>> don't want to abandon the idea and the role of publishers if seen
>>>> in a more open way. we still think that there is room for cultural
>>>> bodies that select, package and distribute information, especially
>>>> in this historical moment where the quantity of information will
>>>> keep increasing
>>> exponentially.
>>>>
>>>> fakepress looked like an oxymoron that represent our internal (and
>>>> not yet
>>>> resolved) tension.
>>>>
>>>> ciao!
>>>>
>>>> luca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Monday, February 21, 2011

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

Hi Simon and all ,


Every author creates a new author and new texts ("Next Step mutual-
self-Publishing")... this is the ruin of the cultural market as we know
it... ""

The cyberspace signals Roland Barthes' "death of the author", the
disappearance of God and his hypostases-reason, science and law, while
witnessing a fuzzy logic determination in holistic, time-space compressed
cyberspace. Meaning and knowledge are not constant inherited values;
rather, they gain new 'duree' of meaning while we are immersed in real-time
in the data hyper-sphere- Augmented reality...
Avi. .


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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing

Dear Yasminers,

Relevant to the discussion about new forms of publication is this:

A paper about a new scientific discovery has just been released in
the 2011 Journal of Plankton Research. DOI: 10.1093/plankt/FBR006.

Authors: Kawaguchi, S., Kilpatrick, R., Roberts, L.,
King, R.A. and Nicol, S.

I was invited to co-author this paper as an artist. I made an animations
and drawings that help to reconcile observations with scientific
theories about how krill have sex:
http://www.antarcticanimation.com/structural/new.php
The art work helps to connect the public with accurate
information at an aesthetic (sensory) level.

Here is the television publication of the discovery:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/02/21/3144836.htm

As more artists join scientists to observe and explain new findings,
new forms of publication are being formed that satisfy academic and
aesthetic ways of knowing.

I am interested to hear from other artists who are working with
scientists to shape the new forms of publication.

Lisa


---------------------------

Lisa Roberts, PhD (UNSW)
Practice-based researcher

www.lisaroberts.com.au
www.antarcticanimation.com

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[Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing

Dear yasminers...

Thanks Simone,
for your back to back posts, and in particular, for 2 web tv
broadcasting. I'd like to personally refer to your projects as
tip-aspects occurring in real time (or "live") within the water cycle's
evolving North Atlantic icebergs. BTW, there is ample on-call space in
Internet2, emphasizing an education genre, for what I refer to as a
'weblackwhole.net' (my in progress Internet 2 conceptual workshop web page).

And, I'd like to offer you my CV, a recent statement (update is in
progress), and an 1980s Terrain Instruments Quick Time documentary excerpt.

http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/emeritus.htm
http://www.leonardo.info/rolodex/brush.leif.html
http://www.archive.org/details/GlobalsWaveArtiifacts

Sincerely, ear year member
Leif Brush
Professor Emeritus, Department of Art + Design
University of Minnesota Duluth
lbrush@d.umn.edu

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

Hi Avi and Salvatore,
it¹s very interesting for me your discussion... in my opinion the next
future of publishing is creating ideas, data, news, in general, texts, but
no longer supports, just texts to introduce in a new space that is
cyberspace (³utopian²? maybe, or ³e-topia² as William Mitchell defined the
city in the networking society). In cyberspace every text will be sharable
and modifiable and it will create new texts. The problem is: and the author?
And copyright? That¹s the point. Every author creates a new author and new
texts ("Next Step mutual- self-Publishing")... this is the ruin of the
cultural market as we know it... Salvatore talked about ³intellectual
property and data/information ownership, and censorship and openness²...
Artists now can play with ³intellectual property and data/information
ownership, and censorship and openness² because they fight against an old
cultural market system, but what will happen after the crisis of this model?
I can not see different system. Maybe Sal is right when he writes: ³as in
all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable cities, living
cities and all the others, the place for publishers will probably sit "on
top" of the ecosystem created by these "new countries" (which, actually,
overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
autonomous forms of expression on them.² But we have to begin to think about
³augmented reality² as a real space. We experience the real space through
senses that are instruments (maybe media) and we experience cyberspace
through media that augmente our senses and evinromental. We modifie every
space with our living, with our senses and our instruments. Publishing is
like contemporary cities: a question of space (see Manuell Castells about
the question of space in network society).
We have to think in space and for space and leave a time model of thinking
(cinema, novel, history left to right, up to bottom, author, publishing
house, capitalism, in general Modernity). A space model of thinking means to
publish at the same time texts for individuals and community, for cities and
network, for local and global. Texts that are places.

You can see this other example, another website, ³cityoneminutes²
(http://www.cityoneminutes.org/#/utrecht/0), a map where you can see or
broadcast videos about cities. An emotional map of the international cities.
It¹s very interesting the overlap of two spaces: real and virtual. They
create a map and a (e-)book in fieri...

Simone


Il 17-02-2011 7:21, "Avi Rosen" <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il> ha scritto:

> Hi Salvatore
> Cyberspace is an Utopian space we live in, and completely agree upon :-)
> We can use it in any way, sometime subversive, like in "Digital Skin"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0-lFamDr4
> where I digitized myself to an embedded information layer of "Google earth &
> sky"...
> we are(through our extensions) in superposition (simultaneously everywhere
> in time-space domain)
> we can call it: "Next Step mutual- self-Publishing" .
> Avi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> xDxD.vs.xDxD
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement
>
> hi Avi,
>
> actually: i completely agree to that.
>
> and that includes Bateson & Mead ( representation through differences and
> networked expressions and importance of personal experience) and Debord
> (redefinig the world according to experience/condition/context) and Deleuze
> (time and space unified by the subject)
>
> which probably answers both questions: which are probably the same single
> question placed according to different directions.
>
> images on cell phones and tv screens are personal experience, as much as we
> interpret them. and "we are seeing them with the eye": they could have
> easily not existed (man on the moon anyone?) and it wouldn't have mattered.
>
> as Orson Welles in "F for Fake": "it is not important if it's real or fake,
> as long as it is a good fake"
>
> and, turning around and observing the same thing from the opposite
> direction: these technologies which we are talking about are really about
> multiplication, fluidification and interconnection. multiplication of
> layers, emergence of unexpected somethings, identities that turn fluidly
> from 1 to 100000 to 0, as people move continuously back and forth from
> individuality, collectivity, anonymity, just as their information and
> stories do.
>
> in this situation: there is no answer. everything is a scenario.
>
> including the idea of intellectual property, data ownership and the
> definitions of what "forms of expressions" are.
>
> again here i think that the word "multiplication" helps a lot, and it looks
> to me as if it is a really effective descriptor of contemporary times.
>
> the more interesting ideas of a "next-step-publisher" that i can think of
> have a lot to do with it. And, sadly for Facebook & C., they requrie levels
> of accessibility, remixability, openness, transparency, plurality, autonomy,
> tolerance and freedom that these large operators just cannot provide. unless
> they mutate in radical ways.
>
> and this is not a "moral" consideration, but a technical one.
>
> salvatore
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Avi Rosen
> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>wrote:
>
>> Hi Salvatore,
>> Our knowledge of global and local events is not of a personal
>> experience anymore, it is heavily based on digital media : Facebook,
>> Twitter. Google, CNN, Wikileaks etc. as Jean Baudrillard
>> suggested:" The Middle east revolution Did Not Take Place" for most
>> of us it existed more as images on computer, cell phone and TV
>> screens than personal experience, that most of the decisions and
>> occurrences in the revolution were based on perceived data coming
>> from internet, images, sounds and news, than from actual seen-with-the-eye
> experience.
>>
>> The question in simulacra or Cimulacra (C=speed of light
>> communication) era, is what really are the "possibilities and freedoms
>> of expression and on creating the conditions for sustainable forms of
>> expression"? And what is "personal expression intellectual property
>> and data/information ownership"?...
>> Avi.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
>> xDxD.vs.xDxD
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:31 AM
>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>> Statement
>>
>> Hi Avi,
>>
>> global internet operators are, indeed, an interesting example of "next
>> step publishers", i totally agree to that. yet in their actions they
>> completely miss a series of points for what concerns the possibility
>> (and freedoms, by the way) of expression and on creating the
>> conditions for sustainable forms of expression.
>>
>> first of all the issues concerning intellectual property and
>> data/information ownership, and of censorship and openness.
>>
>> and then: while all these services enact entire new scenarios for
>> personal expression (and they assume the role of next-step-publishers
>> in this) their strategies focus a lot more on people working for free on
> their platforms.
>>
>> these operators seem more like next-step-governments (or
>> next-step-bureaucracies, or next-step-global-city-administrations)
>> than next-step-publishers, at least for what concerns their core
> businesses.
>>
>> it seems to me that really interesting scenarios for publishing live
>> more "on top" of these operators.
>>
>> As ethics change and the idea of "sharing" becomes a central component
>> of the idea of "value", and as networks complete their action in
>> creating one single, global, city-nation-metropolis that is layered on
>> top of the world, in which countries, local administrations and
>> governments start to loose all meanings and powers, global operators
>> turn into the new administrations and governments.
>>
>> i think it was remarkable observing how Google handled the debate with
>> China(!) about censorship: it was a diplomatic dialogue!
>>
>> as in all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable
>> cities, living cities and all the others, the place for publishers
>> will probably sit "on top" of the ecosystem created by these "new
>> countries" (which, actually,
>> overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
>> autonomous forms of expression on them.
>>
>> if this process is open and accessible, and if it is designed with
>> ethnography and cultural anthropology in mind, it can create entirely
>> new layers of information and narratives, bringing forth new forms of
>> awareness (to the environment, energy, emotions, economy...) together
>> with new forms of stories and, if openness, accessibility and freedoms
>> are a focus in this process, also with new tolerant, free forms of
> expressions.
>>
>> In this for example, i find both radically provocative and very
>> interesting the comment made earlier on by Natasha, as it points out a
>> real transformation of "self" inside a networked humanity. While i do
>> not share many of the points of view of transhumanism, i find very
>> interesting and stimulating the idea of suggesting a complete
> change/mutation.
>>
>> and i also the ideas of multiple, autonomous-yet-networked
>> individuals/groups in the examples by Simone, Roger and Massimo as new
>> forms of "eyes" which not only produce new "visions", but also produce
>> new "environments" and "imaginaries" for visions layered and
>> interconnectable on top of a digital-analog world.
>>
>> in this: the scenario suggested by large operators such as Facebook,
>> using centralized databases, closedness, inacessibility, censorship
>> and the lack of sustainability models (both cultural and economic)
>> for the participants is a *big* problem. And, again, it is not so much
>> about publishing: maybe more about government.
>>
>> best,
>> Salvatore
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luca,
>>> I believe that the internet hubs such as "Google", "Yahoo", "Facebook"
>>> etc. are the future (present) publishers, while encompassing global
>>> data base they provide individually tailored content exemplar,
>>> according to surfer's preferences and browsing history (including
>>> references of Google Scholar 4 scientific content ...)
>>> http://www.artciencia.com/Admin/Ficheiros/AVIROSEN191.pdf
>>> A.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
>>> Luca Simeone
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:39 PM
>>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>>> Statement
>>>
>>> Hi Avi & yasminers,
>>>
>>> I see your point. What we also see though is that in some cases
>>> publishing strategies are still partially driven by specific
>>> editorial processes. For example, as John Wilbanks argues in a
>>> recent post published on
>>> http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/on_science_publishing
>>> the distribution of scientific content is still strongly tied to
>>> traditional processes even though it has obviously changed because
>>> of what you call cyber-aura.
>>> Publishers and the evaluation / editorial processes they set up and
>>> organize are still an important component in selecting, packaging
>>> and distributing scientific content. So, again, we see that some
>>> elements from the traditional author/publisher relation are still
>>> alive and they still profoundly affect the distribution of scientific
> knowledge.
>>>
>>> Is this a value to save in the future? What will be the role of
>>> publishers in the future? Will there be a new configuration where
>>> horizontal processes (with no aura) cross vertical processes backed
>>> by
>> some sort of authorities?
>>>
>>> I guess this is our big question mark with FakePress!
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> l
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Avi Rosen
>>> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Luca & yasminers.
>>>>
>>>> " in (an auratic?) specific time and space"...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When time-space is no longer experienced in Euclidian manner, the
>>>> gap between traditional publishing and individual content distribution
>>>> vanishes, as content rolls past the PC, tablet, or cellular display
>>>> according to our individual preferences and surfing history.
>>>>
>>>> At the turn of the twentieth century Paul Valery predicted: "Just
>>>> as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from
>>>> far off to satisfy our need in response to a minimal effort, so we
>>>> shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will
>>>> appear and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more
> than a sign."
>>>>
>>>> This fact led to a dramatic turning-point of the disappearance of
>>>> the traditional author/publisher, and the birth of the cyber-aura
>>>> witnessed by the cyber-flâneur (surfer). The meaning of individual
>>>> cyber publishing and its cyber-aura according to traditional
>>>> iconological and iconographical tools turned irrelevant. It is now
>>>> valued according to a system of fuzzy logic, dealing with the
>>>> concept of partial truth with values ranging between ³completely
>>>> true² and
>>> ³completely false".
>>>>
>>>> Avi.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>>>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf
>>>> Of Luca Simeone
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:42 PM
>>>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>>>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>>>> Statement
>>>>
>>>> hi marc and yasminers,
>>>>
>>>> well, i guess our point of view is that there are several,
>>>> multiple competing truths at the same time (or none). traditional
>>>> publishing processes select, package and distribute information
>>>> and, in so doing, design specific configurations of reality.
>>>> fakepress wants to somewhat re-articulate this approach
>>>> multiplying the layers related to the publishing process. this
>>>> process (for traditional publishers) was just fixed and determined
>>>> in (an auratic?) specific time and space. this sort of aura
>>>> related to the publishing processes was also an important component to
> shape the authority of the publishers.
>>>> in some ways, it's like fakepress wants to question both this
>>>> authority and the idea that the moment of 'printing' / 'publishing'
>>>> / 'press' is frozen in time and space. but, at the same time, we
>>>> don't want to abandon the idea and the role of publishers if seen
>>>> in a more open way. we still think that there is room for cultural
>>>> bodies that select, package and distribute information, especially
>>>> in this historical moment where the quantity of information will
>>>> keep increasing
>>> exponentially.
>>>>
>>>> fakepress looked like an oxymoron that represent our internal (and
>>>> not yet
>>>> resolved) tension.
>>>>
>>>> ciao!
>>>>
>>>> luca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Pubishing: some examples, and questions

I would like to introduce 2 web tv where broadcasting is a real new form of
publishing:

http://www.babelgum.com/
http://www.submarinechannel.com/

Best
Simone

Il 20-02-2011 10:32, "Vítor Reia-Baptista" <vreia@ualg.pt> ha scritto:

> Dear Annick.
> Television has also been seen as a «publishing» device, or at least a
> public service vehicle, another question is if Television is doing it?
> Vítor
>
> Citando Annick Bureaud <bureaud@altern.org>:
>
>> Dear Salvatore, Dear Yasminers,
>>
>> Reading Salvatore email and looking at the links he suggested, I was
>> wandering if the words "publisher" and "publishing" were not
>> changing meanings (or recovering an original meaning ?).
>>
>> Publishing is "making things public", it has been attached to
>> printed matters for many years, it is interesting that it needed
>> "new electronic media" to be detached from the printed format.
>> Television has not been seen as a "publishing" system, which it is.
>>
>> So, I suspect that my question tonight is : can we define new names
>> to label the different forms of "making things public" ?
>>
>> Annick
>>
>>
>>
>> xDxD.vs.xDxD wrote:
>>> Dear Yasminers,
>>> some pointers to interesting developments that can show possible scenarios
>>> for next step publishing processes, and the ways in which new forms of
>>> expression can open up interesting questions and spaces
>>>
>>> first of all Manifest.AR
>>> http://www.manifestar.info/
>>> and their interventions in MoMA and at the Venice Biennial, through which
>>> they explore reappropriation of spaces and interesting possibilities to
>>> create spaces for expression "on top" of other ones
>>>
>>> and then the first steps towards enhancing the experience of books:
>>> http://www.bookbusinessmag.com/article/atria-books-employs-new-smart-phone-t
>>> echnology-add-digital-experience-physical-books/
>>> Atria books add tags to books allowing readers to access authors' other
>>> works and additional materials such as video and documentation: publishing
>>> books inside books
>>>
>>> and interstitial publishing can create revenues such as at Windermere Real
>>> Estates
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tag/archive/2010/04/20/real-estate-windermere-tag.as
>>> px
>>> in which microinformation is published directly on the houses for sale,
>>> allowing potential buyers to see house interiors, open dialogues, etc
>>>
>>> moving onto totally different domains, the "Selective Memory Theatre"
>>> creates artificial memory mechanisms by using Fickr as a global brain,
>>> trying to mimicking the ways our brains work
>>> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663245/selective-memory-theatre-uses-flickr-to-
>>> mimic-the-brain-video
>>> this is an interesting concept for generative publishing mechanisms
>>>
>>> and, remaining in the human body, the beautifully poetic project "Eye am
>>> You" by artist Jarashi Suki
>>> http://works.jarashi.tv/
>>> suggests how devices can be built to publish small, intense, narratives onto
>>> bodies
>>>
>>> and even the disappearance of user interfaces can bear new spaces full of
>>> information that build languages made of gestures
>>> http://news.designlanguage.com/post/1611663345
>>>
>>> or as in the proximeter developed at the information ecology lab at MIT
>>> http://eco.media.mit.edu/static/proximeter/index.html
>>> the present and past of our social clouds become publishable gestures
>>>
>>> and one last example: Sukey
>>> http://sukey.org/
>>> this is a realtime mobile application created and used by student movements
>>> to publish the urban scenario during protests, including positions of the
>>> police, of the crowds of protesters, and with tools specifically designed to
>>> publish escape routes, safety areas, and collaborative, emergent urban paths
>>> across the city.
>>>
>>> all these examples, among the hundreds that start filling websites and our
>>> mailboxes every day, suggest interesting questions on important issues such
>>> as citizenship, privacy, property and on the re-encoding of our time and
>>> space.
>>>
>>> for example: what is the form of a publisher who choses to create a
>>> "publication" like the proximeter? how does it deal with privacy? what
>>> business model does it enact? how can these publications scale to become a
>>> part of our lives, allowing us to live in more informed, aware ways?
>>>
>>> or, in the case of Sukey: how can these tools be shaped to provide
>>> opportunities for peer to peer organization? and to create autonmous
>>> information spaces?
>>>
>>> Salvatore
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Pubishing: some examples, and questions

Dear Avi,

Avi Rosen wrote:
> Living in audiovisual saturated environment imposes instant self-publishing,
> once performed by writing(Barthes)....

I think I disagree with this above statement. We can choose
to free ourselves from those new chains of being connected
(and available) 24 hours a day, of publishing every single
shadow of idea that crosses our minds in order to exist.
This is an outcome of the international ultra capitalist
model that is dominating the world at the moment.

I think that those tools are fantastic and that, as this
discussion demonstrates, there are new forms of publishing
that are emerging, they do not need to be "instant
self-publishing" where writing and publishing collapse in
one single action. Instant-self-writing-publishing is one
mode, what are the others ?

Annick


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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Pubishing: some examples, and questions

Dear Annick.
Television has also been seen as a «publishing» device, or at least a
public service vehicle, another question is if Television is doing it?
Vítor

Citando Annick Bureaud <bureaud@altern.org>:

> Dear Salvatore, Dear Yasminers,
>
> Reading Salvatore email and looking at the links he suggested, I was
> wandering if the words "publisher" and "publishing" were not
> changing meanings (or recovering an original meaning ?).
>
> Publishing is "making things public", it has been attached to
> printed matters for many years, it is interesting that it needed
> "new electronic media" to be detached from the printed format.
> Television has not been seen as a "publishing" system, which it is.
>
> So, I suspect that my question tonight is : can we define new names
> to label the different forms of "making things public" ?
>
> Annick
>
>
>
> xDxD.vs.xDxD wrote:
>> Dear Yasminers,
>> some pointers to interesting developments that can show possible scenarios
>> for next step publishing processes, and the ways in which new forms of
>> expression can open up interesting questions and spaces
>>
>> first of all Manifest.AR
>> http://www.manifestar.info/
>> and their interventions in MoMA and at the Venice Biennial, through which
>> they explore reappropriation of spaces and interesting possibilities to
>> create spaces for expression "on top" of other ones
>>
>> and then the first steps towards enhancing the experience of books:
>> http://www.bookbusinessmag.com/article/atria-books-employs-new-smart-phone-technology-add-digital-experience-physical-books/
>> Atria books add tags to books allowing readers to access authors' other
>> works and additional materials such as video and documentation: publishing
>> books inside books
>>
>> and interstitial publishing can create revenues such as at Windermere Real
>> Estates
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tag/archive/2010/04/20/real-estate-windermere-tag.aspx
>> in which microinformation is published directly on the houses for sale,
>> allowing potential buyers to see house interiors, open dialogues, etc
>>
>> moving onto totally different domains, the "Selective Memory Theatre"
>> creates artificial memory mechanisms by using Fickr as a global brain,
>> trying to mimicking the ways our brains work
>> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663245/selective-memory-theatre-uses-flickr-to-mimic-the-brain-video
>> this is an interesting concept for generative publishing mechanisms
>>
>> and, remaining in the human body, the beautifully poetic project "Eye am
>> You" by artist Jarashi Suki
>> http://works.jarashi.tv/
>> suggests how devices can be built to publish small, intense, narratives onto
>> bodies
>>
>> and even the disappearance of user interfaces can bear new spaces full of
>> information that build languages made of gestures
>> http://news.designlanguage.com/post/1611663345
>>
>> or as in the proximeter developed at the information ecology lab at MIT
>> http://eco.media.mit.edu/static/proximeter/index.html
>> the present and past of our social clouds become publishable gestures
>>
>> and one last example: Sukey
>> http://sukey.org/
>> this is a realtime mobile application created and used by student movements
>> to publish the urban scenario during protests, including positions of the
>> police, of the crowds of protesters, and with tools specifically designed to
>> publish escape routes, safety areas, and collaborative, emergent urban paths
>> across the city.
>>
>> all these examples, among the hundreds that start filling websites and our
>> mailboxes every day, suggest interesting questions on important issues such
>> as citizenship, privacy, property and on the re-encoding of our time and
>> space.
>>
>> for example: what is the form of a publisher who choses to create a
>> "publication" like the proximeter? how does it deal with privacy? what
>> business model does it enact? how can these publications scale to become a
>> part of our lives, allowing us to live in more informed, aware ways?
>>
>> or, in the case of Sukey: how can these tools be shaped to provide
>> opportunities for peer to peer organization? and to create autonmous
>> information spaces?
>>
>> Salvatore
>> _______________________________________________
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