I assume we are all 'Neo', following the white rabbit down a self created trail. We are all the Universe, constantly talking to ourselves, getting to know each aspect of ourselves. Like Neo, we all have control over this 'matrix', if we can understand that 'the spoon is not a spoon' we might enjoy the game better...or not...if all is one, then the only way for the one to know itself it to divide itself, every experience is equally valuable, unless we chose for it not to be...we only need to be grateful (ancient idea's... ;-) unravelling this 'matrix' we hope, is like a gift in a gift in a gift, we hope it never ends...I've always wondered why we have a built-in self destruct mechanism...oxygen gives us life and death at the same time. Death allows us 'humankinds' to make the same mistakes, over and over, and over again...dividing knowledge learned over the construct of time, we find ourselves having the same idea's as the ancient people....It's like we
are spreading ourselves and our knowledge thin over time...each word, each meaning we create another division...
Jennifer
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From: Vítor Reia-Baptista <vreia@ualg.pt>
To: yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 10:47:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] dream argument + simulation hypothesis (are we living in a computer simulation?)
Hello Jennifer.
Interesting thinking. So, who is Leo in that Matrix?
Vítor Reia
Citando "Jennifer Kanary Nikolov(a)" <jenniferkanary@yahoo.com>:
> Dear Clarissa,
>
> Thanks for bring attention to the simulation argument again and adding the dream argument to that (until now a discussion on this topic did not seem to take off yet, and I was starting to lose hope...perhaps a discussion for another time, another day:)!
>
> I really like the quote of Zhuangzi in the dream argument:
>
> "He who dreams of drinking wine may weep when morning comes; he who
> dreams of weeping may in the morning go off to hunt. While he is
> dreaming he does not know it is a dream, and in his dream he may even
> try to interpret a dream. Only after he wakes does he know it was a
> dream. And someday there will be a great awakening when we know that
> this is all a great dream. Yet the stupid believe they are awake,
> busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man
> ruler, that one herdsman ‑ how dense!"
>
> Perhaps we are trying to figure out what (computer) simulation is while at the same time being unaware of being in one ourselves? It has such a powerful 'meme' through out history...!
>
> Perhaps we are a division of 'Brain Carrying Body Avatar's' created by the Universe so it could see itself (or ourselves from different perspectives)...thanks again Avi for posting the Tedtalk by Henry Markram http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/henry_markram_supercomputing_the_brain_s_secrets.html "The Universe evolved a brain to see itself.."
>
> j.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Clarissa Ribeiro Pereira de Almeida <almeida.clarissa@gmail.com>
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 3:16:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] dream argument + simulation hypothesis
>
> Just sending some wikipedia links today on: dream argument + simulation
> hypothesis
>
> The dream argument contends that a futuristic technology is not required to
> create a simulated reality, but rather, all that is needed is a human brain.
> More specifically, the mind's ability to create simulated realities during REM
> sleep <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REM_sleep> affects the statistical
> likelihood of our own reality being simulated.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_argument**
>
> Simulation Hypothesis:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis**
>
> http://www.simulation-argument.com/matrix.html**
>
> cheers,
>
> Clarissa
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