Yes, I am aware of the capacities and capabilities of marine
mamals. Here I was not talking about using them for military
or surveillance purposes but for ecological ones. Those
seals can go very deep in the water and their "areas" are
much bigger than the ones that humans could monitor. They
are equiped with various sensors : it helps understanding
the marine currents, monitor the change in the oceans
(salinity, acidification), help understand their habitats
and other creatures living there, hence help us understand
the whole system for a better protection (for us, for sure,
but also for the marine creatures). It is not harmful to them.
My question was : wether it is for ecological purposes or
any other purposes, can mamals other than us, equiped with
technology be considered as cyborgs or is the concept of
cyborgs just applicable to humans ?
Joseph Ingoldsby wrote:
> Annick Bureaud:
> Every species has evolved means of surveillance, communication and security
> to survive, including ourselves. The adaptive mechanisms are quite
> remarkable from the sonar of bats to the jamming of the signal by moths.
> Dolphins and whales also have the ability to see in darkness using sonar to
> read the seascape and other organisms of the deep. Their complex language
> and calls can be heard from great distances through the conductive waters.
> I would not call their traits mechanized nor call them cyborgs. They are
> sensitized to their environment internally. Their use and enslavement by
> humans for warfare and surveillance is a cruel use of neutral species for
> our self-destructive and regressive human nature. Humaneness in humans often
> seems a misnomer. How can we channel our gifts in a constructive way to
> problem solve? We are not superior beings independent of nature but are part
> of the interconnected web of life. There is a difference of philosophy
> between the consumerist cultures and those that respect the rights of the
> land. Readers should be aware that the Indigenous peoples of the world are
> speaking to each other and have formed a union. In Ecuador this was
> translated into the Rights of Nature written into their Constitution.
> Indigenous people often have specialized abilities honed from centuries of
> use. These traits include the ability to read the landscape without maps,
> telepathic communication, interspecies communication, and communion with the
> spirit world. The Shaman often served as a conduit to these inner and outer
> worlds. As humans we live only a fraction of our potential. This is what I
> meant when I mentioned the enhancement of our inner world and our
> relationship to the outer world. Until we as a species are able to
> emotionally develop, we will continue to use tools-cyborg, drones and
> mechanical enhancements in a destructive way. Thankfully, there are
> individuals, institutions and collectives who are pooling their talent
> constructively in a holistic way to address global problems.
> Joseph Ingoldsby
> Landscape Mosaics
> On 7/23/09 9:50 AM, "Annick Bureaud" <email@example.com> wrote:
>> Dear Yasminers,
>> As you are getting some posts from me, you understand that I
>> am "unpiling" my mail ;-)))
>> One question : can we consider the seals and other marine
>> mamals fully equiped with sensors and instruments and that
>> "monitor" for us the antarctic deep waters as cyborgs ?
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